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01-22-2013, 08:41 AM
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People do realize that not even St Louis was 100% sure about that pick right? Tarasenko was St. Louis' SECOND 1st rounder that year. Jaden Schwartz was taken higher than Tarasenko because they knew that he was a boom-or-bust pick.

How many Russians are taken in the later rounds? Almost none. The reason being is that unless they become top-6 forwards they rarely stay in NA due to the money they could be making back home.

Unbelievable that this continues to be brought up. I swear, many here would rather be right themselves than see the organization do well.

Many people wanted Schroeder over Kreider. That would have worked out well......

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01-22-2013, 08:46 AM
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Rangers hate Russians so much that they were trying to trade up for Grigorenko last year just so they could pass on him.

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01-22-2013, 08:52 AM
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Weren't the Rangers VERY interested in Vasilevsky this year? That was rumored for a couple of weeks before the draft and he was taken just before their pick.

Not Russian.....

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we dont draft russians.

if his name was miller or smith or whatever. hes a ranger.

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I think that's taking it to an extreme. You are right in saying this organization drafts "safely" and NA players are known for a work ethic and that's something the Rangers obviously value going forward. Safe picks lead to regular NHLers and they have value too. They just proved it by trading away two of them to get the difference maker a player like Tarasenko could be in Rick Nash.

I think at the time a guy like Wrath was more valuable to the organization as well from a need standpoint. They needed top-6 talent as well but the blueline was lacking a lot of snarl and size. Without Sauer, it still is.

Maybe it was a pick based on emotion rather than logic, but what's done is done. The Rangers are in a good place and if they were still mired in mediocrity while Tarasenko was lighting it up, lamenting about it might be more cathartic.

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01-22-2013, 09:10 AM
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Just some examples of defensive defenders taken in the 1st round that I can come up with off of the top of my head:



http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=45036

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=116033

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89981

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=50279

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123316

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=120972

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=90722


It is becoming increasingly more and more difficult to find defensemen who can intimidate and keep up with the play due to the speed of the game.

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01-22-2013, 09:39 AM
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Just some examples of defensive defenders taken in the 1st round that I can come up with off of the top of my head:



http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=45036

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=116033

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89981

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=50279

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123316

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=120972

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=90722


It is becoming increasingly more and more difficult to find defensemen who can intimidate and keep up with the play due to the speed of the game.
Yep and many of them haven't made the jump yet... Big shut down D-men are even slower than power forwards.

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01-22-2013, 09:44 AM
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I think that's taking it to an extreme. You are right in saying this organization drafts "safely" and NA players are known for a work ethic and that's something the Rangers obviously value going forward. Safe picks lead to regular NHLers and they have value too. They just proved it by trading away two of them to get the difference maker a player like Tarasenko could be in Rick Nash.

I think at the time a guy like Wrath was more valuable to the organization as well from a need standpoint. They needed top-6 talent as well but the blueline was lacking a lot of snarl and size. Without Sauer, it still is.

Maybe it was a pick based on emotion rather than logic, but what's done is done. The Rangers are in a good place and if they were still mired in mediocrity while Tarasenko was lighting it up, lamenting about it might be more cathartic.
Potential superstar forwards are always more of a need than a potential #4 D-man.

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01-22-2013, 09:48 AM
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Potential superstar forwards are always more of a need than a potential #4 D-man.
Really? Which could this team use more right about now?

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Potential deal in place for the the netminder


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414190



any idea who the team is and what player???

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Potential superstar forwards are always more of a need than a potential #4 D-man.


I'm sorry, but I find it funny when people use one players absolute top-end potential that has a small percentage of coming true and another players lower-end projection.

Superstar forward? He has played (2) games.

#4 d-man? He is in his first season in the AHL and he dislocated his kneecap and missed multiple months. He is playing top-4, sometimes top-pairing minutes in the AHL as a rookie.

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Potential deal in place for the the netminder


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414190



any idea who the team is and what player???
its anyones guess. I imagine Gillis is BSing everyone in hopes FLA or TO anties up.......who the heck needs a Goalie? I know Luongo is an upgrade but salary has to go the other way. IF there is a deal then the team acquiring likely has to move their starting Goalie, not sure what the hold up would be otherwise. I doubt its a cap issue but maybe

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Potential deal in place for the the netminder


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414190



any idea who the team is and what player???
My guess is it must be a team that is closer to the cap this season. Hence why they need to move a player in order to make it work.

SJ?
CHI?
TO?

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Really? Which could this team use more right about now?
Considering they had no offense in the Boston game and it sounds like it happened again last game, I think we can use offense. We have 4 really good D-men, 1 decent D-man, and 1 bad D-man. It's easier to replace Bickel than get scoring.

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01-22-2013, 10:07 AM
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I'm sorry, but I find it funny when people use one players absolute top-end potential that has a small percentage of coming true and another players lower-end projection.

Superstar forward? He has played (2) games.

#4 d-man? He is in his first season in the AHL and he dislocated his kneecap and missed multiple months. He is playing top-4, sometimes top-pairing minutes in the AHL as a rookie.
Do you really think #4 D-man is his low end? You must really be high on him. I'm using his potential. Maybe a #3 D-man.

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01-22-2013, 10:14 AM
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Do you really think #4 D-man is his low end? You must really be high on him. I'm using his potential. Maybe a #3 D-man.
He has top-pairing potential in the same way Brooks Orpik and Tim Gleason do. As a complimentary piece to a more offensive player. Same goes for Jared Cowen and Marc Staal who don't have a ton of offensive upside.

Douglas Murray is another great example. He was a top pairing d-man for the Sharks for many years they were at the top of the West.

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Considering they had no offense in the Boston game and it sounds like it happened again last game, I think we can use offense. We have 4 really good D-men, 1 decent D-man, and 1 bad D-man. It's easier to replace Bickel than get scoring.
We've allowed 9 goals in two games. Not exactly sure how that isn't the bigger problem.

I mean, sure, I guess if we added Tarsenko to our 3rd line we would have lost 6-5 which isn't quite as bad.

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Detroit lost Lidstrom and Rafalski to retirement. They lost Stuart in free agency. Have they replaced those players? No. Detroit was one of the teams hoping the cap would drop so they pick up a player or two from another team but it didn't happen.

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We've allowed 9 goals in two games. Not exactly sure how that isn't the bigger problem.

I mean, sure, I guess if we added Tarsenko to our 3rd line we would have lost 6-5 which isn't quite as bad.
That's not because we're missing 1 D-man. It's not all Bickel. I go by last year and I think the way bigger problem is that our O hasn't played well. Our D is proven our O isn't.

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He has top-pairing potential in the same way Brooks Orpik and Tim Gleason do. As a complimentary piece to a more offensive player. Same goes for Jared Cowen and Marc Staal who don't have a ton of offensive upside.

Douglas Murray is another great example. He was a top pairing d-man for the Sharks for many years they were at the top of the West.
Ok, a complimentary 1st pairing D-man on a team that has 3 of them<<<<a superstar forward. If we're going with potential.

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Ok, a complimentary 1st pairing D-man on a team that has 3 of them<<<<a superstar forward. If we're going with potential.
When the entire team is built on a defensive style built from the goal-out, I think that is debatable.

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When the entire team is built on a defensive style built from the goal-out, I think that is debatable.
I couldn't disagree more, actually, as our style makes it easier for Defensemen to play their trade well. On the other hand, our forwards really need to be something special to produce in this system. When we have a system that makes our Dmen better and our forwards worse, I think an important equalizer is that we have some good powerful forwards.

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We can argue all the day about justifying the pick; it was a mistake to pass on Tarasenko, but not a mistake that needs to be vilified. It was a judgement call and management took the player they liked. I am excited for McI to be a Ranger, though I think there is virtually no shot he becomes a top pairing NHLer. There's no need to call for management's head over it; mistakes happen and this will go down as one. Big deal. Same thing happened to a lot of teams on Giroux, Datsyuk, Lundqvist, etc. That said, Tarasenko would be better for this team than McI. Not sure why we're debating that. We want to win now, our offense looks all kinds of out of sorts and Tarasenko would be a sure thing in the top six adding explosive offensive talent right now. McI's not even in the NHL yet, so he doesn't help us win now. I'm not regretful. I'm not sour about it. It's fine; McI will be a fan favorite when he gets here. I understand most of you are just annoyed about the people throwing fits (again) about taking McIlrath, but there's no point in trying to say Tarasenko wouldn't have been a better pick. It's done. It's the past. Team's pass on guys who end up being better than the one they picked every single year, multiple times.

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Maybe I like seeing the world burn, but I want Suter to absolutely demolish the Predators tonight. The amount of ******** fans got of the Wild after signing two of the most highly touted FAs in some time reminds me of the Rangers. I'll be cheering hard for them tonight and for the rest of the season.

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Yep and many of them haven't made the jump yet... Big shut down D-men are even slower than power forwards.
Don't forget a while back WADE BELAK ..... Had a long career was picked in top 12 . While defense and toughness is always a premium I'm in the camp of looking for these type if defenseman via trade or free agency and using high draft picks for high potential offensive players . The simple reason being it takes much longer for the shutdown type to develop and for your picks to hear fruit . The NYR have had bad track record with drafting " big guys " .
Brendl, Jessiman , Grachev all come to mind as guys whose size was dominant at lower levels but speed didnt cut it in NHL

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