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01-22-2013, 11:03 AM
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Not gonna lie... I thought that after Therrien worked on RDS, he would have seen that keeping a plugger over a kid who wasn't good (or bad) that clearly has the potential to make a difference in a game is a terrible idea. Was hoping Therrien was a proponent of playing his young developing players.

Unless there is something we don't know about in practice, this makes no sense to me

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01-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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But that shouldn't even be the issue. There's no reason to bench Eller at all. Benching him is singling him out when they entire forward group played like crap.
I look at it completely differently. Benching a player I'm sure is never an easy decision, but it's not personal and it's not because of a coach "liking" a player or not. It's about expectations for that particular player. Look at when JM benched PK. It was definitely not a popular decision, but PK came back a better player for it and it turned out to be the right decision.

I don't see it as Eller being in the doghouse, or him not being appreciated by the coaching staff, quite the contrary. They see more in him than what he is providing at this stage in his development and they want to stir something in him that will benefit both him as a player and the organisation in the long run. What that is, I really don't know. You'd have to ask MT that question, but I do have my ideas. But it's not that Therrien doesn't like him imo, it's the opposite. They see strong potential in him and they think he can bring more than he does now given his skill-set.

Either way, he's 23 years old and tons of players get benched. It's really not the end of the world and I'm sure Eller himself will use the experience the right way and use it to make the changes they want to see.

He'll be back a better player for it I'm sure.

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01-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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White, Armstrong. If you are preaching "no excuses", then you practice what you preach. You don't apply it only to certain players. And if performance is the reason of the benching of Eller, then maybe Cole should sit. Why single out a player who wasn't the worst one?

Bench Armstrong, slide Moen to the 4th and play Gallagher and Galchenyuk with Eller. White did nothing last game too.
Therrien, and I somewhat agree with him here, wants Prust on 3rd. And yes Cole looked like a retired guy vs the Leafs!

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01-22-2013, 11:05 AM
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Or seeing as his assists dropped and not his goal production maybe the argument can be made that his wingers don't play as well on the road.
ooooof... common DA Champion! Need to see some counter stats!

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01-22-2013, 11:06 AM
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What's the issue here?
I know there's no reason to bench Eller, but your post is contradicting.
You're saying Therrien is bad with youth. But he's benching Eller to give Galchenyuk his own line to center, and Gallagher a shot at the 3rd line. We're talking about a 18yo and a 20yo. lol
Sit Armstrong or White to bring in Gallagher.

Unless Eller has been completely dogging it in practice since camp opened this makes no sense at all. Eller was our 5th leading goal scorer last year. We are already short on offence.

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01-22-2013, 11:07 AM
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What's the issue here?
I know there's no reason to bench Eller, but your post is contradicting.
You're saying Therrien is bad with youth. But he's benching Eller to give Galchenyuk his own line to center, and Gallagher a shot at the 3rd line. We're talking about a 18yo and a 20yo. lol
Wait, are you trying to be logical? Don't you see it's time to freak out?

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01-22-2013, 11:08 AM
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Wait, are you trying to be logical? Don't you see it's time to freak out?
not time to freak out... but there is no reason (on the surface) to bench Eller over guys like White or Armstrong. The past coaches seemed to chose inconsistent vets over inconsistent yougins... and that didn't go very well

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Sit Armstrong or White to bring in Gallagher.
Then what, put Eller or Gally on the 4th line?

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01-22-2013, 11:17 AM
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Then what, put Eller or Gally on the 4th line?
This team needs offense... and a lot of people pegged Moen Eller Armstrong as our 3rd line in pre season projections... I'd rather see eller there than on the bench.

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01-22-2013, 11:20 AM
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Then what, put Eller or Gally on the 4th line?
Probably Moen - Eller - 1 of Armstrong/White as the 4th.

Not ideal, but better than not playing.

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This team needs offense... and a lot of people pegged Moen Eller Armstrong as our 3rd line in pre season projections... I'd rather see eller there than on the bench.
Aite. I think it's easy to criticize a coach's decision.
What if both Gallys have 2 pts each tonight. Are we still going to crucify Therrien and moan about how he's destroying our youth?

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01-22-2013, 11:23 AM
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Michel Therrien is a ****ing idiot. Bring back Cunneyworth.

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Not happy about this, but where are you going to play him? we would be just as mad if he was on the 4th line. And you need a guy a Moen/Prust on a line with Gally 1 and 2 atleast early on.

Only guy you can actually take out is Armstrong, but he had a good game on saturday.

You can't take out White, he is the only right hand faceoff man.

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Michel Therrien sur Eller:"je veux qu'il monte son niveau d'intensité."

Gotta increase his intensity.

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Aite. I think it's easy to criticize a coach's decision.
What if both Gallys have 2 pts each tonight. Are we still going to crucify Therrien and moan about how he's destroying our youth?
I think you took some people's comments out of context... no one is saying he's destroying youth (if someone did... they be foolish), I'm all for giving the gallys ice time... but give Eller ice time over white or armstrong! It only makes sense!

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01-22-2013, 11:25 AM
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Bottom 6:
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Prust - Armstrong
Out: White (or we could swap White with Armstrong)

Eller must play. He's better than Galchenyuk, Gallagher, White and Armstrong.

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01-22-2013, 11:25 AM
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Michel Therrien sur Eller:"je veux qu'il monte son niveau d'intensité."

Gotta increase his intensity.
I guess that's it then... Maybe eller is slacking in practice

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Martin did the same thing with Subban last year, sometimes it's the best thing for good young players to see the game from the press box and see how intensely everyone else is playing. Eller will be fine, nothing to worry about.

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01-22-2013, 11:27 AM
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You guys are jumping to conclusions.

The team played like crap last game and Therrien wants to jump start this lackluster team. He wants to bring in Gallagher because he's a high energy player and because he has been playing in the A and is in good game shape and also because he wants to see what Gally can do.

So who does Therrien take out?

Prust, White or Armstrong? Everyone and his spanked monkey agreed that was the best line Saturday night.

Bourque? Therrien said on a number of occasions Bourque brought what Therrien asked for.

Patches, DD & Cole? They stunk out the joint but I think because of their season last year he's giving them a pass.

Pleks or Gionta? Get real. That will never happen.

Galchenyuk? Chuckie gave no one any reason to take him out tonight's game.

So it's between Moen & Eller.

Although Moen was not impressive, he wasn't useless and Eller was terrible on Saturday and he doesn't even have the layoff as an excuse. He was playing during the lock out.

I'm not a fan of Therrien but I give him a pass on this decision. It makes sense.

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01-22-2013, 11:29 AM
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Michel Therrien sur Eller:"je veux qu'il monte son niveau d'intensité."

Gotta increase his intensity.
He was far better than Desharnais. Why isn't he scratched? Bouillon was terrible, why not bring in Weber to replace him? Kaberle couldn't hold the puck in to save his life, we should call up Tinordi.

It was one game, and Eller was the best centre of the team. Ugh, I hate this.

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lol not true, a LOT of people was still unhappy with Koivu, even when he scored 60pts+
Koivu got pretty much the same **** then Plekanec, their not real 1st centers, their too small and too soft.

The thing is Koivu never played with elite wingers in his entire tenure in MTL the best players he played with was Tanguay and Ryder probably. It didn't click with Kovalev.

He managed to put up 75 points while playing with 3rd line grinders that's something impressive.

If we had focussed on giving him real wingers except complaining on how he isn't a 1st line center and we need to replace him, maybe the situation could have been different.

Saku was better than his Brother which everyone think of as a 1st line center, but both are so injury prone it isn't fair.

It still kind of a disgrace that we let him walk when he still could pilot the third line and put up so nice points with Eller and Moen.

I wasn't a Koivu fan by all means but i recognized the situation, when you play with Pierre Dagenais and Chris Higgins it's hard to effective.

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But that shouldn't even be the issue. There's no reason to bench Eller at all. Benching him is singling him out when they entire forward group played like crap.
bothers me too, but who else are you gonna sit if you want to give galchenyuk some time at center and gallagher any icetime? you could sit white i guess, but eller is not all that useful in this role

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bothers me too, but who else are you gonna sit if you want to give galchenyuk some time at center and gallagher any icetime? you could sit white i guess, but eller is not all that useful in this role
Gallagher should be in Hamilton. If you want to try Galchenyuk at centre, then put Eller on his wing...

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He was far better than Desharnais. Why isn't he scratched? Bouillon was terrible, why not bring in Weber to replace him? Kaberle couldn't hold the puck in to save his life, we should call up Tinordi.

It was one game, and Eller was the best centre of the team. Ugh, I hate this.

Maybe, just maybe, expectations are much higher from Eller than those players, and he is still young and learning and this is for his benefit long-term? Or maybe us posters know how to develop stars better than an NHL coach who helped develop Crosby and Malkin.

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If Therrien goes 0-48-0 can we end the contract before three years?

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