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01-22-2013, 09:51 AM
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23 year olds are on the back end of their prime these days apparently.

I want a team made up entirely of 18 year olds!

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Subban is hated by the players, fanbase and is simply an egocentric
selfish crybaby asking for 6 mil a year on long term contract.

The mistake the Habs did was the trade of Mcdonnagh vs Gomer....

He knows that they need him since they are low on prospects at D
(Diaz,Weber,Iemelin,Bouillon and a broken Markov, only Gorges
can be considered as a legitimate top 4 defense.)

you know this how exactly? link please??

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01-22-2013, 09:53 AM
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If I'm Boston I wouldn't trade Hamilton for Subban straight up
then you would be the worst GM in the league. Thats like me saying I would not trade Galchenyuk for Malkin cause Gally could one day be as good as Malkin.

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01-22-2013, 09:55 AM
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Take out the 3 players we're sending and I still wouldn't do it.

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01-22-2013, 09:57 AM
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then you would be the worst GM in the league. Thats like me saying I would not trade Galchenyuk for Malkin cause Gally could one day be as good as Malkin.
So what you aying is that Subban is one of the top 3 best dmen in the world ok then

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01-22-2013, 09:58 AM
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then you would be the worst GM in the league. Thats like me saying I would not trade Galchenyuk for Malkin cause Gally could one day be as good as Malkin.
Galchenyuk doesn't not equal Hamilton and subban does not equal Malkin. Poor analogy

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01-22-2013, 09:59 AM
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So what you aying is that Subban is one of the top 3 best dmen in the world ok then
no thats not what I said or meant. You know that but you are playing the typical HFB game. Its called defecting. Its very popular on these boards.

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01-22-2013, 10:01 AM
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Every piece Boston gives up is > every piece Montreal gives up. This trade is a robbery in favour of the Habs, don't know why Bruins would even hear you out here.

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Too much going on... maybe:

Marchand + Spooner
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Too much going on... maybe:

Marchand + Spooner
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no thats not what I said or meant. You know that but you are playing the typical HFB game. Its called defecting. Its very popular on these boards.
no you specifically said it would be like not trading a highly reguarded player for a player who many would argue is the top player in the world and at a minimum top 3 player in the world.

your the one playing the typical game 1st its overvalueing your teams players and 2nd its backtracking after making a post with a ridiculous comparision of two totally different players.

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So what you aying is that Subban is one of the top 3 best dmen in the world ok then
What's your point? You wouldn't trade Dougie for someone who's already proven to be of the best defensive d-man in the game and is also great offensively too? I think alot of gm's would trade a great prospect for someone who's already proven himself to be one of the best d-man in the league.

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01-22-2013, 10:07 AM
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Every piece Boston gives up is > every piece Montreal gives up. This trade is a robbery in favour of the Habs, don't know why Bruins would even hear you out here.

I agree that the OP is ridiculous but Subban and Bergeron are pretty close in terms of value.

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01-22-2013, 10:08 AM
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no you specifically said it would be like not trading a highly reguarded player for a player who many would argue is the top player in the world and at a minimum top 3 player in the world.

your the one playing the typical game 1st its overvalueing your teams players and 2nd its backtracking after making a post with a ridiculous comparision of two totally different players.
And in case you think P.K is just an offensive d-man think again he's proven to be one of the best penalty killers in the game and is probably better defensively than he is offensively.

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Too much going on... maybe:

Marchand + Spooner
for
Subban
I get the feeling that Dougie Hamilton would have to be a part of this deal and he should if Subban is going to Boston and I am a Bruins fan. I also think that Hamilton has a chance to be better than Subban, it's not written in stone or anything, but he has a chance. Subban also has a chance to be better than he has been so far, actually I think I expect that from him.

I'm not sure what Boston would have to add to Hamilton to get Subban, but it would require an addition.

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01-22-2013, 10:10 AM
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We aren't low on D prospects, we're low on d men who are able to play at a high level on D right now,
Right on, to me they are still prospects since they are not top 6
apart Markov and Bouillon (injury prone) and Gorges.

If their prospects like Tinordi would be so good they would play
In the first 5 games...

You can still be a prospect and play in the big league btw....

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01-22-2013, 10:12 AM
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I personally believe that the Habs need to completely blow it and rebuild, had than state of mind since last year. Assuming Subban asks for a trade would Wild and Islanders fans accept these trades.

To NYI: Subban and Plekanec
to MTL: Strome and Reinhart

With such a trade the Islanders have potentially a playoff team for the first time in...forever.

To Min: Subban and Plekanec
to MTL: Brodin and Coyle

This move also gives the Wild insane depth while also keeping a very solid prospect pool with Dumba, Granlund, Phillips, Zucker etc...

On the other hand both trades give Montreal solid prospects and enables them to tank properly and go ahead and acquire a Mackinnon, Jones or Drouin in the off season.
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no you specifically said it would be like not trading a highly reguarded player for a player who many would argue is the top player in the world and at a minimum top 3 player in the world.

your the one playing the typical game 1st its overvalueing your teams players and 2nd its backtracking after making a post with a ridiculous comparision of two totally different players.
the fact that I chose Malkin is irrelevant. You know I meant an young established player. I could have said Toews, Tavares etc. My point would remain the same.

Already established player is more valuable than any prospect of the same position. Unless we are talking a Crosby type prospect, which Hamilton is not. So yea, It would cost Hamilton+.


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01-22-2013, 10:15 AM
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Right on, to me they are still prospects since they are not top 6
apart Markov and Bouillon (injury prone) and Gorges.

If their prospects like Tinordi would be so good they would play
In the first 5 games...

You can still be a prospect and play in the big league btw....
What? It's called developing a d-man. And btw none of our d-men playing in the NHL right now are considered prospects... as I've said before we aren't low on prospects we're low on capable NHL d-men right now especially with Subban not signed.

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you know this how exactly? link please??
Your a Habs fan you should know the rumors...

Don Meehan on TSN:

We are not close to an agreement...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413662

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01-22-2013, 10:18 AM
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Patrice Bergeron
Brad Marchand
Dougie Hamilton


PK Subban
Lars Eller
MTL 2nd 2013

So Bruins give up 2LW, 2C and good prospect Stay-at-Home D-man to acquire a potential franchise D-man (with the mean attitude Bruins love), a good 3C (to allow Seguin to move up) and a 2nd in what looks like a deep draft, that could be a high 2nd.

I can't remember if Bergeron or Marchand have said one way or the other how they'd feel about playing for the Habs (it's not for everyone, especially francophones), but this is a huge boost to the grittiness and speed that the Habs are looking for in their top 6.

The loss of PK would be hard, but the Habs have their PMD back in Markov, and have options in the system, not to mention a deep draft upcoming. The Habs will be in a position where they can move Plekanec at the deadline to get their 2nd back, with interest (as he'll be expendable with Galchenyuk ready to grow into the 1C role and a high-end C prospect available in the draft).

Boston certainly looks like the winner at the on-set, because the tandem of Chara and PK would be terrifying, but the loss of Marchand and Bergeron would not go unnoticed.

This trade speaks to areas of strength for both teams though.

What does everyone else think?
A BIG NO From both sides...PK Is great and i think hes worth alot but PK, Eller and a 2nd would never get Hamilton(Tons of Hype and Potential), Marchand, and a star like Bergeron who is proven...and Habs want to keep Subban.

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01-22-2013, 10:23 AM
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I agree that the OP is ridiculous but Subban and Bergeron are pretty close in terms of value.
Dude this is hilarious !!!!! I wouldn't trade Bergy for PK, Eller, and your 2nd ... So dream on ..

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01-22-2013, 10:24 AM
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The Habs quickly hang up the phone on both proposals. Just horrible.

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Your a Habs fan you should know the rumors...

Don Meehan on TSN:

We are not close to an agreement...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413662
You said he was a selfish crybaby looking for 6 mill a year. I asked for a link that says that. Can you provide one please?

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Rangers/Canadiens: Subban for Hagelin

Straight up

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