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01-21-2013, 10:18 PM
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Well Gerbe played in 2 WJC but really who cares, just keep up the hype machine and ignore the experts who don't have him as a top 50 prospect (after the WJC, didn't see him on any top 100 lists preseason) and he is unlikely to become one with the 13 draft guys coming online.

Like I have stated previously the odds are very much against him having any serious impact in the NHL.

I wish all prospects well but let's keep it real at least eh?
So I ask about Gerbe in comparison and that is to high for JG

Who are you talking about not being in the top 100 Gerbe? When did I say he was I was asking hoe them compare at BC.

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So I ask about Gerbe in comparison and that is to high for JG

Who are you talking about not being in the top 100 Gerbe? When did I say he was I was asking hoe them compare at BC.
Player comps never really work, different players, time and place.

JG wasn't in any top 100 lists at the beginning of the year, highest I have seen him is a honorable mention right after WJC and we have the 13 draft guys coming in as well.

Either way doesn't really matter I guess we should ahve our answer in 5 years or so, if not less.

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Player comps never really work, different players, time and place.

JG wasn't in any top 100 lists at the beginning of the year, highest I have seen him is a honorable mention right after WJC and we have the 13 draft guys coming in as well.

Either way doesn't really matter I guess we should ahve our answer in 5 years or so, if not less.

This whole board is basically a player comp generator.

He's tiny? He's American? Oh okay he's just like Nathan Gerbe.

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Player comps never really work, different players, time and place.

JG wasn't in any top 100 lists at the beginning of the year, highest I have seen him is a honorable mention right after WJC and we have the 13 draft guys coming in as well.

Either way doesn't really matter I guess we should ahve our answer in 5 years or so, if not less.
Are you kidding me right this is before the WJC http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9601 he is #20 including the 2013 draft picks. Also if we can't talk about comparisons and we if we can't take about his NCAA success as you seem to think small players do fine there and isn't an indication of future success what the hell is the point of this board?

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Are you kidding me right this is before the WJC http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9601 he is #20 including the 2013 draft picks. Also if we can't talk about comparisons and we if we can't take about his NCAA success as you seem to think small players do fine there and isn't an indication of future success what the hell is the point of this board?
Okay that Craig button list is a 1st and it includes 12 draft picks not 13.

But seriously Murray and Grigor ranked 26th and 28th?

Justin Schultz 1st?

This is one of the wackiest lists I have ever seen, especially in terms of the order.

Like I said in my previous post time will tell.

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Okay that Craig button list is a 1st and it includes 12 draft picks not 13.

But seriously Murray and Grigor ranked 26th and 28th?

Justin Schultz 1st?

This is one of the wackiest lists I have ever seen, especially in terms of the order.

Like I said in my previous post time will tell.
Fine then there is this list from September that has him in the top 100 http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1381 and then they redid their list in Jan and he just missed the top 50 http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1426

So again stop acting like you know what you are talking about.

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I apologize if it seemed like I didn't agree with what you are saying and I do agree that JG has to add muscle in order to make the NHL. It is the main reason I think he stays at Boston College as to try and add muscle and continue to play his game as well as he does.

Since you have seen BC alot how would you compare JG to Gerbe and Atkinson who are both smaller guys that did well at BC and are finding success at the higher leagues specifically Gerbe?
Gerbe is more physical of a player, and doesn't hesitate to go into the dirty areas. Many of the goals he scored in HE were in the slot, from what I remember. He is very aggressive and strong on the puck along the boards/behind the net, while Gaudreau is more of a perimeter player. Catch a game when the Bruins play the Sabres and its pretty funny to watch him go right at Chara, he is somewhat reckless when it comes to his own regard.

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St. Louis was the victim of organizational bias against smaller players and it was also a different time with a game less suited for smaller guys.

At this time, Cory Conacher is looking mighty good for Tampa Bay after two games. He's a shrimp and a diabetic. And nowhere near as gifted as Gaudreau.

Gaudreau will be a star.
Conacher is fast, Gaudreau has worse skating than some 3rd line 6'4 guys in the NHL

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Conacher is fast, Gaudreau has worse skating than some 3rd line 6'4 guys in the NHL
ok wow, this Gaudreau being a bad skater thing has become seriously overblown at this point if you legitimately think this is true.

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Conacher is fast, Gaudreau has worse skating than some 3rd line 6'4 guys in the NHL
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Sigh, alright. :

Northeastern has won approximately 4 games in hockey east. They are very close to the bottom of the league. They rely on the scraps of what the BC's, BU's, UNH's, etc. of the Hockey East get in terms of recruits. In fact, 2 of their better players were kicked off of BU last year for alcohol violations (Saponari brothers), which tells you something. The game was 3-3 after 1, 6-3 after 2, and 9-3 final. The backup goalie, who is pretty awful, was put in after the 5th goal was allowed by NEU. Long story short, they are nowhere near the same level as BC and the game was never even close. You seem to be hooked on the 4pt thing though.

I have been watching college hockey in the Boston area for over 12 years, attended one of the schools in the area, and see at least 2 games a week in person to this day. Yet I post an observation that someone in Flim-Flom or Calgary or Qatar disagrees with, and everyone else piles on. I could tell some of you the sky was blue and you would probably find a way to argue that. Happy now?

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I'm glad you watch a lot of hockey, but you still don't have much of a point. Nothing you have said qualifies as an effective criticism of Gaudreau's game.

And added snark doesn't help your argument either. It's just snark.

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Conacher is fast, Gaudreau has worse skating than some 3rd line 6'4 guys in the NHL
Heh. Nice try.

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Gerbe is more physical of a player, and doesn't hesitate to go into the dirty areas. Many of the goals he scored in HE were in the slot, from what I remember. He is very aggressive and strong on the puck along the boards/behind the net, while Gaudreau is more of a perimeter player. Catch a game when the Bruins play the Sabres and its pretty funny to watch him go right at Chara, he is somewhat reckless when it comes to his own regard.
Yea I like Gerbe, just wondered if they looked the same at BC apparently not that might be a good thing since JG is 20 pounds lighter than Gerbe he probably couldn't be as physical of a player.

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I'm glad you watch a lot of hockey, but you still don't have much of a point. Nothing you have said qualifies as an effective criticism of Gaudreau's game.

And added snark doesn't help your argument either. It's just snark.
You seem to assume that he's saying something that he isn't. There's no reason to get defensive, as you have over the past 2 pages, when he hasn't really posted anything negative about Gaudreau.

He's not the next Gretzky, he does have weaknesses (hell, Gretzky did too). Somebody watching him and pointing them out is not a bad thing. It brings some balance to the conversation.

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Now that's what I call moderation!

On-topic: Gaudreau is amazing, I will bear his children, and he will become my tiny dancer.

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Fine then there is this list from September that has him in the top 100 http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1381 and then they redid their list in Jan and he just missed the top 50 http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1426

So again stop acting like you know what you are talking about.
Okay so i missed him at 94 and I like the way Corey rates guys but seriously 1 year after his draft and he only get a 94th?

He just missed top 50 after the WJC, I did see that, but let's wait and see if he cracks Corey's top 50 list after the 13 draft (which will be two drafts after Johnny's...see where this is heading? Alot of hype from the fan base but not found in the scouting community)

Button's ranking is so far off the board, kinda like the guy that put Hill top ten earlier this year that it needs an explanation to be taken seriously.

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Okay so i missed him at 94 and I like the way Corey rates guys but seriously 1 year after his draft and he only get a 94th?

He just missed top 50 after the WJC, I did see that, but let's wait and see if he cracks Corey's top 50 list after the 13 draft (which will be two drafts after Johnny's...see where this is heading? Alot of hype from the fan base but not found in the scouting community)

Button's ranking is so far off the board, kinda like the guy that put Hill top ten earlier this year that it needs an explanation to be taken seriously.
I think Corey is very mediocre at rating prospects he even has Brunner on there and he is 26, he only had Conacher at 79 and he tore up the AHL and has started on fire in the nhl. He has guys like Colborne at 56. JG has caught up to guys like Jensen from the same draft, the only reason I see him behind others his is size and JG is probably more skilled then Sven judging by the summer camp. There is no perfect scout but his rankings aren't that great.

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You seem to assume that he's saying something that he isn't.
He is suggesting that Gaudreau is barely good enough to be projected an NHLer (of any kind) at this point, which is silly.

He backs up his argument with an absurd illustration that defeats itself. I don't think he is right and clearly I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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I think Corey is very mediocre at rating prospects he even has Brunner on there and he is 26, he only had Conacher at 79 and he tore up the AHL and has started on fire in the nhl. He has guys like Colborne at 56. JG has caught up to guys like Jensen from the same draft, the only reason I see him behind others his is size and JG is probably more skilled then Sven judging by the summer camp. There is no perfect scout but his rankings aren't that great.
No list is perfect but that Button and the ranking of those 30 players was so off the charts.

Size really matters at the NHL level more than a lot of people in this thread seem to think at times.

Marty St Louis is the exception rather than the rule and pretty much everyone missed him as the guy he would eventually become.

The fact of the matter is that most small guys don't make it and most that do are quite thick, ie over 175lbs and closer to 5'10" than 5'6".

Being 5'7" and 155ish lbs (if he even is that heavy at 20 now) makes him the long shot that he is pretty plain and simple.

Case in point is Conacher, who had him on their lists before his breakout last season (12) in the AHL?

He is also 23 years old right now, that's why he would be so low in most rankings, when comparing to guys 18-20.

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No list is perfect but that Button and the ranking of those 30 players was so off the charts.

Size really matters at the NHL level more than a lot of people in this thread seem to think at times.

Marty St Louis is the exception rather than the rule and pretty much everyone missed him as the guy he would eventually become.

The fact of the matter is that most small guys don't make it and most that do are quite thick, ie over 175lbs and closer to 5'10" than 5'6".

Being 5'8"-5'9 and 155ish lbs (if he even is that heavy at 20 now) makes him the long shot that he is pretty plain and simple.

Case in point is Conacher, who had him on their lists before his breakout last season (12) in the AHL?

He is also 23 years old right now, that's why he would be so low in most rankings, when comparing to guys 18-20.
You are missing the point JG is vastly out performing Conacher at the same age and while weighing less is the same height if not taller (depending on who you ask) means that he could out perform him at the next level. I never said St Louis is the rule but in the new nhl small players are not that uncommon ( Desharnais, Atkinson, Conacher, Ennis, Schwartz, Granlund, Marchand, Baertschi, Brunner, Read,etc) thats not to mention player that have been in the league for years (Gionta, St Louis, Roy, Cammalleri, Whitney,etc). The game is changing into JG's favor he has high end hockey IQ and hands he has the skill of the top prospect if the only thing that separates him from other top prospects is an inch and 20 pounds then I think you are looking for reasons to hold him back.

Button's list isn't the norm but there is no reason to say it is any less valid as he may see things others don't and vice versa.

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For the record, Conacher is doing pretty good so far.

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You are missing the point JG is vastly out performing Conacher at the same age and while weighing less is the same height if not taller (depending on who you ask) means that he could out perform him at the next level. I never said St Louis is the rule but in the new nhl small players are not that uncommon ( Desharnais, Atkinson, Conacher, Ennis, Schwartz, Granlund, Marchand, Baertschi, Brunner, Read,etc) thats not to mention player that have been in the league for years (Gionta, St Louis, Roy, Cammalleri, Whitney,etc). The game is changing into JG's favor he has high end hockey IQ and hands he has the skill of the top prospect if the only thing that separates him from other top prospects is an inch and 20 pounds then I think you are looking for reasons to hold him back.

Button's list isn't the norm but there is no reason to say it is any less valid as he may see things others don't and vice versa.
Desharnais has one good season, Atkinson and Conacher are hardly established in the NHL. The other guys are good prospects or NHL players that have had a solid year or two. The common thread among every single one of them mentioned? They are all bigger than Gaudreau. The most generous estimation of his size I've seen is 5'8" 153. I've seen him play, he's 5'7" at most. The lightest guy among those you mentioned is at least 15-20 pounds heavier than Gaudreau, which is a huge difference. Nobody that is that small has had the impact in the modern NHL that people project Gaudreau will have.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen Gaudreau play, and he's a great player. His vision, anticipation, and hockey IQ is great. But people seriously need to stop trying to justify him as a guaranteed hit prospect. He's a good, legitimate, quality NHL prospect. He is not the god you paint him out to be.

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Desharnais has one good season, Atkinson and Conacher are hardly established in the NHL. The other guys are good prospects or NHL players that have had a solid year or two. The common thread among every single one of them mentioned? They are all bigger than Gaudreau. The most generous estimation of his size I've seen is 5'8" 153. I've seen him play, he's 5'7" at most. The lightest guy among those you mentioned is at least 15-20 pounds heavier than Gaudreau, which is a huge difference. Nobody that is that small has had the impact in the modern NHL that people project Gaudreau will have.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen Gaudreau play, and he's a great player. His vision, anticipation, and hockey IQ is great. But people seriously need to stop trying to justify him as a guaranteed hit prospect. He's a good, legitimate, quality NHL prospect. He is not the god you paint him out to be.
WJC team had JG had 5'9 155. They are all 2-3 years older if not more of course they have 20+ pounds on JG. You too have missed the point that being smaller isn't as big of a draw back it once was. I never said JG was god I think he is a top 30-50 prospect I think they only thing that holds him back is his size if he was 5'11 he would be seen higher then Sven. I have said probably 100+ times he isn't a sure thing but no prospect is my entire point is the people that write him solely on his size are wrong as many players around his size are starting to come into the nhl and succeed.

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Desharnais has one good season, Atkinson and Conacher are hardly established in the NHL. The other guys are good prospects or NHL players that have had a solid year or two. The common thread among every single one of them mentioned? They are all bigger than Gaudreau. The most generous estimation of his size I've seen is 5'8" 153. I've seen him play, he's 5'7" at most. The lightest guy among those you mentioned is at least 15-20 pounds heavier than Gaudreau, which is a huge difference. Nobody that is that small has had the impact in the modern NHL that people project Gaudreau will have.
What's your point?

Gaudreau isn't done growing nor is he incapable of gaining another 15-20 points in the next couple of years. No one is saying he can jump in the NHL today and start dominating.

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