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01-22-2013, 04:40 PM
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They are years away from fulfilling their potential, and with the exception of Reinhart not one is projected to be top pair potential. They are all 2nd line and under depth. CdH was supposed to be the big gun for the future but his constant injury history makes him, basically, a giant question mark you can't count on.
if you dont consider hamonic a first pairing dman already, i dont think you know enough about the isles d situation to make that type of comment

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I'd give Kane for Okposo, Nino, 2014 1st, 2015 1st.
I am sure you would. How about we throw in Tavares, Hamonic, and Long Island Sound to sweeten the pot?


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In relation to Turris for Rundblad+2nd.

It was mentioned from the Jets as Postma+2nd.

I think the difference between Postma (a tall right handed PP specialist) and Rundblad may be slightly larger than the difference between Nino and Turris, so the Jets would add. Maybe another wing prospect like Telegin or Klingberg?

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I would love Nino in Calgary I don't see much of trade tho best I think we could do is
Jbo + Smith + Stempinak + Ferland/Horak (would prefer to move Ferland)
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Nino + Nelson + Carkner

but I think that is to much quantity rather than quality.

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I can't see how you would part with him either, but that's what it would take.
Not that I think the Islanders should or will trade Nino, but you are vastly underrating the values of Moore, Erixon, and Savard.

All 3 are likely top-4, young, offensively talented defensemen. One of them + New York's or LA's 1st would be similar value to Gormley and would bring pieces the Islanders would benefit from.

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if you dont consider hamonic a first pairing dman already, i dont think you know enough about the isles d situation to make that type of comment
Hamonic is an established player who will be a 1st pair defender soon. I assumed you were talking prospects only. And I know enough about hockey from my own experience to have seen him as first line potential the year he was drafted. How about you?

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The reason I said Nino for Gormley is because it helps both teams....

Nino would be the yotes highest potential young foward. and they Hve plenty have talent on D to not Miss Gormley.

Isles dont have any Wing prospects with the potential that Nino has but Strome or Nelson could convert to wing if need be...Gormley would most def be on the Isles Blue line this year imo and would be an important player for them.
Nino and Gormley probably have fairly similar trade value. Also, on paper it seems to make sense for these teams to deal the one for the other, as it would seem to balance out organizational depth quite well for each team. Having said all of that, I would NOT deal Gormley for Nino. I have much more faith in Gormley realizing his absolute upside than I do in Nino reaching his. I view Nino as the riskier prospect. I might consider dealing another risky prospect such as Rundblad for him. Even then, I don't think it would make mush sense considering the entire reason Nino is demanding a trade is because he wants to play in the NHL. I don't see him playing for Dave Tippett this season. That sort of settles that, does it not?

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Hamonic is an established player who will be a 1st pair defender soon. I assumed you were talking prospects only. And I know enough about hockey from my own experience to have seen him as first line potential the year he was drafted. How about you?
why would i be only talking about prospects if there are young players on the isles that are going to be here long term? i watch him every game and see him shut down other teams best players on a nightly basis as well as complete good first passes, there isn't alot more, if anything at all, that is required to be considered a top pairing d-man

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I am sure you would. How about we throw in Tavares, Hamonic, and Long Island Sound to sweeten the pot?

My offer was fair...

Kane is an elite player, the Hawks don't get any elite players back in my proposed deal. They get quantity for quality.

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Not that I think the Islanders should or will trade Nino, but you are vastly underrating the values of Moore, Erixon, and Savard.

All 3 are likely top-4, young, offensively talented defensemen. One of them + New York's or LA's 1st would be similar value to Gormley and would bring pieces the Islanders would benefit from.
If I am Snow I consider trades to fill needs. We actually have good young defensive prospects on the farm, and while those you mentioned would be upgrades, would you call any of them slam dunk future first pair?

Thanks to our having bypassed Fowler for Nino (bad move, and now justified as a bad move), and having bypassed Hamilton for Strome (broke even), and having thrown all of our eggs in the deHaan basket only to have them shattered by his injury magnet of an upper body, we are in very strong need of a potential 1st pair defenseman to compliment Hamonic at some point in the near future. So that's the only thing I trade for at this point, if I am Garth.

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Nino and Gormley probably have fairly similar trade value. Also, on paper it seems to make sense for these teams to deal the one for the other, as it would seem to balance out organizational depth quite well for each team. Having said all of that, I would NOT deal Gormley for Nino. I have much more faith in Gormley realizing his absolute upside than I do in Nino reaching his. I view Nino as the riskier prospect. I might consider dealing another risky prospect such as Rundblad for him. Even then, I don't think it would make mush sense considering the entire reason Nino is demanding a trade is because he wants to play in the NHL. I don't see him playing for Dave Tippett this season. That sort of settles that, does it not?
Stat wise Rudblad is having a better year than Gormley but Gormley is younger and I still think he will be the bettr overall player.... I agree that in terms of reaching thier full potentials that Gormley has the edge and is the safer pick...
But PHX has such depth and talent on the Blue line I figured it would be worth the risk because they really dont have any Young Fowards that I could think of with the Potential that Nino has...

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My offer was fair...

Kane is an elite player, the Hawks don't get any elite players back in my proposed deal. They get quantity for quality.
I agree but I am guessing most Islanders fans see those first rounders as top 10 picks(which is why I would do the deal if we got a commitment from ownership not to be a cap min team, but if Wang felt like keeping a 44M roster that trade would work out bad for us). I might also put in a condition if we resign Kane in 3 years

That being said I don't think Chicago does it unless they secretly want to unload Kane.

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My offer was fair...

Kane is an elite player, the Hawks don't get any elite players back in my proposed deal. They get quantity for quality.
I think you were asking for one too many picks there. It kind of resembles the Kessel deal in terms of potential to backfire for a rebuilding team like New York.

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If I am Snow I consider trades to fill needs. We actually have good young defensive prospects on the farm, and while those you mentioned would be upgrades, would you call any of them slam dunk future first pair?

Thanks to our having bypassed Fowler for Nino (bad move, and now justified as a bad move), and having bypassed Hamilton for Strome (broke even), and having thrown all of our eggs in the deHaan basket only to have them shattered by his injury magnet of an upper body, we are in very strong need of a potential 1st pair defenseman to compliment Hamonic at some point in the near future. So that's the only thing I trade for at this point, if I am Garth.
That makes sense. I wouldn't consider Nino a slam dunk top line winger so I highly doubt he returns a slam dunk top pairing defenseman. All he will return is a player with upside similar to his or an established player who is slightly below what Nino could be.


Also if things are as you say, they wouldn't be interested in Gormley either.

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If I am Snow I consider trades to fill needs. We actually have good young defensive prospects on the farm, and while those you mentioned would be upgrades, would you call any of them slam dunk future first pair?

Thanks to our having bypassed Fowler for Nino (bad move, and now justified as a bad move), and having bypassed Hamilton for Strome (broke even), and having thrown all of our eggs in the deHaan basket only to have them shattered by his injury magnet of an upper body, we are in very strong need of a potential 1st pair defenseman to compliment Hamonic at some point in the near future. So that's the only thing I trade for at this point, if I am Garth.
where do you expect macdonald to be when all is said and done?

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My offer was fair...

Kane is an elite player, the Hawks don't get any elite players back in my proposed deal. They get quantity for quality.
Your offer was off the board. All Boston got for Kessel was two firsts. You want more for Kane? That's just not happening.

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Smith, Tatar, Lashoff + 2nd for Niederreiter, Višňovský + 1st

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Chris Butler (Cap friendly dman who can play in your top 4.)
Max Reinhart (#3C potential.)
Ryan Culkin (Good prospect doing well in the Q)

for

Niederreiter

_____________ or

If Calgary is out of it come deadline day and "blows it up" I would do:

Giordano

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Niederreiter + 2nd 2013

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Another prospect that the fans over value.

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I agree but I am guessing most Islanders fans see those first rounders as top 10 picks(which is why I would do the deal if we got a commitment from ownership not to be a cap min team, but if Wang felt like keeping a 44M roster that trade would work out bad for us). I might also put in a condition if we resign Kane in 3 years

That being said I don't think Chicago does it unless they secretly want to unload Kane.
So what happens when Tavares wants big bucks?

Do you just let him walk for picks? do you trade him? one day he will want Toews/Kane money.

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if the avs cant get o'rielly to sign by the end of the season i would do nino and nielsen for o'rielly's rights and steve downie

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I would take Gormley over Nino any day.

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So what happens when Tavares wants big bucks?

Do you just let him walk for picks? do you trade him? one day he will want Toews/Kane money.
Huh? He's signed through 2018.

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