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01-22-2013, 02:44 PM
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To add, I am rather shocked they are going to a small, skilled forward on that line. Seems like a different directing from a stick in the lane, PK, no skill guy like Pouliot.

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I'm not against trying him on the PP, I just find it odd that he would get more PPTOI than a guy like Peverley, who is quite a bit better than him. Bourque got a full minute more on the PP than Seguin last game.

I'm of the opinion that you need to have you best players on the ice to have success, if you want to throw a guy out there for the odd PP, fine. But if you're not rolling you're best players out there, there's no one to blame but yourself.
Nothing against Peverley, but if he was a featured skater on the PP last year, the Bruins PP was mediocre at best, so why should he continue to get PP time?

If they're setting up the PP units to feature certain combinations, they have to see if those combinations can develop some chemistry.

As for ice time, it can vary according to game situations. One game, especially one with limited penalties, isn't always an accurate gauge.

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Because Bourque was a PP quarterback and a high scorer in the AHL, and they're seeing if he can translate that to the NHL.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but you don't know until you try. With all the whining about the Bruins' PP, I don't get the whining about trying someone/something different.
This is my guess as well, along with the fact that CB has been playing for months and is in game shape.

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But on the flip side of that, if the last name on the shirt was something other than Bourque, would people here really be going out of their way to complain about a guy who hasn't done anything to hurt your chances to win, after all of two games?
And on the flip side of that, if Corvo was still on this team, would anyone be complaining about Bourque?


I just don't see where the hate is coming from with this guy. It's like people expected him to come to the Bruins and get 10 goals in 2 games or something and now they're just being let down.

This guy is positionally sound and made very few mistakes in his first 2 games. Hell, I've noticed Chara and lucic turn the puck over more than Bourque has. He is the best available option for the 3rd line spot.

Caron has regressed this season in the AHL and has done nothing to prove he's ready to be a solid NHL contributor. It was the same issue last year with Caron. The dude disappeared in the AHL.

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In all seriousness though, I really don't have an opinion yet - two games in, and two wins at that.

But there are all types of "specialists" in the game, PP, PK, Shootouts, fights, etc. It's the one thing they do good in the game and the reason they are still in the game. So unless they get the opportunity to show they can do it at the NHL level when they have done it at other levels, how else are they suppose to show it?

Yesterday, some people (and I don't mean fans) were asked how much time do you give a player to showcase himself this year after the lockout? The general consensus was 20 games, with a full schedule, but this year 10-12.

Just too early to form a basis here yet. Heck, he's playing with players he's never played with before. There's no chemistry there...yet. I just think it needs more than 2 games before we write him off.
To me this is just common sense.

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Bourque is just filling in until the SEL season is finished and we can unleash the beast.

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I thought he played pretty well on the powerplay...

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Nothing against Peverley, but if he was a featured skater on the PP last year, the Bruins PP was mediocre at best, so why should he continue to get PP time?

If they're setting up the PP units to feature certain combinations, they have to see if those combinations can develop some chemistry.

As for ice time, it can vary according to game situations. One game, especially one with limited penalties, isn't always an accurate gauge.
They have the same forwards as last year, they were all on that dismal PP, so why should they continue to get PP time?

Because they are the best option, they are the players you look to for production. Looking to Chris Bourque to be a productive NHLer is foolish IMO. He'll be an OK option on the 3rd line, playing 3rd line minutes.

Players excel when put in role that are suited for them, expecting him to produce points might not be a role he's suited for and it's one expected of the players on the PP.

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I don't mind him getting a shot on the powerplay. It can't get much worse, maybe he'll add something to it. Haven't been impressed but haven't been disappointed with him on it, the PP is sloppy anyway so it's not exactly his fault. I'll wait until the team gets the bounces going their way to judge that.

3rd in the shootout was a bit much, but he's as good as any other option for our 3rd line LW. Caron has slacked in the AHL and is hurt, Spooner has a good future but a full year of 1st line minutes of Providence is beneficial for everyone, and bringing in an ex-Hab free agent would probably give the same effect as Bourque is now. Give him a chance, it's been 2 games and we had really bad luck last game.

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01-22-2013, 06:19 PM
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I really don't understand where you are coming from on this, as it relates to why you think he should not be given a chance on the powerplay or shoot-outs. He put up 93 points in the AHL last year and 28 points in 32 games this year. This isn't some "plugger" that's being put in the occasional offensive role. This is a kid with some offense who is asked to be more of a checker during 5-on-5, and is currently the best guy (in the farm) to be able do that and give you some offense. It remains to be seen if it translates to the NHL, but to think that an AHL ppg player being given a chance to contribute offensively is "nepotism" makes no sense.
I am more than willing to see him get his shot and I hpe he succeeds. My point is that the whole thing is so not Claude. He's never simply handed anyone anything the way he has in this case.

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Unless the name on his back was "Hamilton" in which case Claude would give him about 23 minutes of ice per game, including 2 min. or so on the PP.
Absolutely. In Hamiltons case, however, he is a can't-miss future of our franchise. He's possibly the face of the franchise for years to come. This guy needs to play.

Bourque, on the other hand is 8-9 years older and still unproven at the NHL level. No need to toss him on the PP, SO at this stage.

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01-22-2013, 06:26 PM
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I would shorten Peverlys name to Pevs rather than Pervs.

I'm not sure shortening Peverly to Pervs gives a good vibe.

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I'm all for giving Bourque a chance, but this just can't happen IMO.

I also don't want to see him in the shootout before guys like Krejci & Marchand.
That he went before those two makes it even more odd and un-Claude-like. You kind of have to wonder how those to felt about it, don't ya?

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01-22-2013, 06:34 PM
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Because Bourque was a PP quarterback and a high scorer in the AHL, and they're seeing if he can translate that to the NHL.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but you don't know until you try. With all the whining about the Bruins' PP, I don't get the whining about trying someone/something different.
I totally get where you're coming from as far as seeing what he can do. But it clearly didn't translate in Washington on a vastly inferior team.

I also don't think puting him ahead of our proven veteran stars on the PP and SO is justified or fair.

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Bourque falls under a couple of things here-he's earned it with his play in Providence this year and his ability to rack of significant points in the AHL.

Don Sweeney and Cam have known him his entire life and its human nature (unless you fall under the ahole umbrella and in that case you probably haven't amounted to anything let alone a decision-maker for successful professional sports franchise) to root for him.

I was at the game and he looked like he was buzzing around, taking the body (and btw- I have been to a half dozen Providence games and maybe more this year and he has not backed down at all; he's taken hellacious hits to make plays, he goes in the dirty areas- I was skeptical but I'm impressed)

I think it was great Claude put him in the shoot out and it makes sense he has great hands and has led the AHL in scoring or been in the top of the league multiple years. His height is his enemy in this league. He has very good skills- he did very well in a stocked AHL this season.

I like this move and think he deserved it. I also have no problem whatsoever with that shoot out especially after seeing him in Providence in a couple.

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I totally get where you're coming from as far as seeing what he can do. But it clearly didn't translate in Washington on a vastly inferior team.

I also don't think puting him ahead of our proven veteran stars on the PP and SO is justified or fair.
Riddle me this. How's our PP been doing oh the last couple. Of years?

You are grasping here. Unwillingly to consider objective reasons for trying Bourque.
You obviously have some agenda so why not out with it?

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I totally get where you're coming from as far as seeing what he can do. But it clearly didn't translate in Washington on a vastly inferior team.

I also don't think puting him ahead of our proven veteran stars on the PP and SO is justified or fair.
I do. Have you seen any Providence games? Have you seen the Bruins power play the past few years? Any PP needs 2 lines. Bourque (and especially Spooner) were great on the PP in Providence. Spooner not to hijack this thread is going to be unbelievable on the PP in time- think Savard meets Samsonov (toned down a bit but still you can see a lot of the dominant hockey skill of both)

Lets find out about Bourque- perfect storm for him, Caron and Knight are both out and these two were the guys Sweeney had along with Bourque for that spot

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What about his time with the Caps & Penguins? At one point he was on the same line with Sid the kid! If he didn't excel playing on that line, then you have to wonder. Everyone keeps saying, give him a chance etc. What do you call that? Racking up points in the AHL is no small feat. But doing it at the NHL level is another story. You only need to be a millisecond slower to find yourself on the outside looking in. Look at all the players who have had great careers, putting up big numbers in the AHL, but were never able to stick in the NHL. Some end up going overseas in order to make more money. When you start comparing 3rd/4th line players you usually have a log jam of players who can fill the spot.

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Good post, my "expectations" of Bourque aren`t much different from those I had with Pouliot, that is/was to play a responsible game, contribute from time to time. BP exceeded my expectations, played hard and yes, fell alot, took a few ill timed penalties (ahem, Looch/Marchand not much different but receive many free passes) and I think for the $$, BP more than paid back the Bruins.

Bourque? Well, were 2 games in, and having just finished watching game #2, he looked fine, I don`t expect any 3rd liners to either steal the show. At some point (and that isn`t now) he`ll have to chip in though
You want Bourque over Caron ,ODAAT?I never thought you would imply that?

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I see a disturbing trend here. It seems that Chris Bourque is seeing undeserved PP time and basically too many shifts. Then he uses him in the shoot-out?

I hope this is not the case, but it makes one wonder if his fathers history with the team is having an influence on the decisions involving Chris. The guy is simply not that good.
I haven't been watching the games [2] that closely as I am still ticked at everyone for the lockout but the little I have seen of Bourque hasn't impressed me that much.He seems ''average'' in every way,not particularly fast for a small guy and certainly no upgrade over Caron.As long as the B's are winning games I don't think they will tinker with the lineup that much .

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What about his time with the Caps & Penguins? At one point he was on the same line with Sid the kid! If he didn't excel playing on that line, then you have to wonder. Everyone keeps saying, give him a chance etc. What do you call that? Racking up points in the AHL is no small feat. But doing it at the NHL level is another story. You only need to be a millisecond slower to find yourself on the outside looking in. Look at all the players who have had great careers, putting up big numbers in the AHL, but were never able to stick in the NHL. Some end up going overseas in order to make more money. When you start comparing 3rd/4th line players you usually have a log jam of players who can fill the spot.
I'd like to see the ice time with Sid the Kid....however, your point is well taken, and I'd say the odds are against him but as of right now he will never have a better chance to succeed. He's on a very good team, is getting a legit shot on pretty strong all-around line for people (Claude, Chia, Sweeney for three) that want him to do well.

I have no complaints with his play and its kinda fascinating to watch along with the game knowing who he is, and his resume. He was a high second rounder, has done well in the AHL, so he does have some things in his favor.

One other thing, Caron has been kind of been the guy in waiting, but he has been grossly outplayed by Bourque these past 3 months- and as crazy as this sounds, Bourque in my viewing has been the more aggressive, tougher, and certainly more consistent player. Caron has been Glenn Murray like in his demeanor without the high end offensive skills. Other than that Caron has been fine

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Bourque has slick hands and made a very nice move in the shoutout. Certainly belongs at the top of the rotation.

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I guess the bottom line is how well he performs until there are other options. If he proves to be a better player than Jordan Caron then he deserves to play.

Caron showed flashes of brilliance last year. I think that kid is maybe a tweek or two in his game away from becoming a valuable regular NHLer.

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I am more than willing to see him get his shot and I hpe he succeeds. My point is that the whole thing is so not Claude. He's never simply handed anyone anything the way he has in this case.
Multiple people in this thread have pointed out that Bourque has not been "handed" anything. There are legitimate reasons why he is in the role he's in at this moment. I have no idea what you mean by "not Claude."

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Bourque has slick hands and made a very nice move in the shoutout. Certainly belongs at the top of the rotation.
I can remember when people were complaining b/c Bergeron was a lock for the shootout, or even Krejci.

Same people were usually quiet when Sturm would wake up the elderly man peacefully sleeping in loge. When he shook the glass w/ a 85mph snapshot.

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