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01-22-2013, 05:31 PM
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What about
Jbo + Smith + Stempinak + Ferland/Horak (would prefer to move Ferland)
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Nino + Nelson + Carkner
Don't want Jbo anywhere near Long Island. Unless he's on the visiting team, in which case he can come as often as he likes.

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I wouldn't do it, but I'm putting it out there.

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Brett Ritchie and John Klingberg

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Nino

Ritchie and Strome can continue to play together.
This proposal got ignored, I think it's pretty fair. Keeps that dominate Niagara line together, and you add a longshot defenseman with a high ceiling. I'd also add a 3rd, since we have 3 of them this year.

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You aren't going to find happy Avs fans... ROR>>Nino, and Downie and Nielsen are too close to call.

You underrate the Avs players. ROR looks to be turning into a borderline #1C Selke type. Downie isn't a ****ing throw-in.

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01-22-2013, 05:34 PM
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brooklyn should be getting a legitimate eastern conference threat on the first day the barclay center is used for regular season nhl hockey
After all these years calling them Brooklyn is hard enough.

If Mike Bossy, Bryan Trottier, Clark Gilles or Billy Smith et al were dead they would turn in their grave.

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01-22-2013, 05:34 PM
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i see madonald as a support player, he will complement any other dman he is paired with and play that role very effectively and he has tremendous endurance and can handle well over 25 minutes a game with out looking overly fatigued at the end of the 3rd period, put him on any team and no opposing forward would ever think to favor his side of the ice because he is the "weaker" d-man which is exactly what i would look for in a dman that is being paired with a number one, this is exactly what we saw when he was paired with streit, he played a very solid defensive role complementing his partners game to the t as well as playing a very effective 2 way game when paired with hamonic a far more defensive minded d man then streit is, but over the last couple of years although the number one job on the isles swapped from streit to hamonic, macdonald stayed in the number 2 spot the whole time playing effectively
Because they had no one else to fill that role if you recall the rest of that supporting cast, and the outrageous injury toll the team had to deal with for several years. The past two years I saw a player who had consistency issues. He would have a brilliant couple of nights, followed by brain farts, or an inability to contain players more physical than him. He is great depth, but a reliable first pairing defenseman? Not even close. I had the privilege of watching McInnis and Pronger play in St Louis. That was a gifted first pair, with an offensive defenseman and defensive defenseman who complimented each other to dominate their conference. If you are telling me that Hamonic and MacDonald are even of that same mold I don't know what to say. Hamonic is and will develop into something of the physical defensive compliment with offensive upside and ability to pick up where his partner leaves off. He isn't the answer to an offensive defenseman. MacDonald is good defensive depth with a smidge of offensive upside. He is not first line material if you have real 1st pair material to chose from. That's been the unraveling of the Isles for a long time, using guys above their ability where they struggle, as MacDonald has some nights against high end teams. Let MacDonald settle into a 2nd pair role and see him flourish.

Or did I misread something again? You are trying to state that MacDonald is a true first pair defenseman, yes?

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Not close. It would need your top 5 pick added. And you would be stupid to trade it. Avs need to trade for a #1-2 dman if they really have to trade ROR.

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You aren't going to find happy Avs fans... ROR>>Nino, and Downie and Nielsen are too close to call.

i think it goes like this

currently
ror > nielsen >> downie >> nino

but based on potential
ror = nino > nielsen > downie

and im only proposing this assuming that the avs cant get o'rielly signed by the end of the season, and i would expect alot of avs fans to not be to crazy about him after that

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You aren't going to find happy Avs fans... ROR>>Nino, and Downie and Nielsen are too close to call.

You underrate the Avs players. ROR looks to be turning into a borderline #1C Selke type. Downie isn't a ****ing throw-in.
Woah let's pump the brakes a little.

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Given De Haan's injury history don't see why Ottawa does this
I see him as a project. The d prospects ottawa has are mostly bottom 6. They could use another top 4 potential D.

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01-22-2013, 05:42 PM
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You are correct most of the time we expect our 20 year old prospects to have at least won the scoring crown 3 times by now.
When you are expecting some massive return, I expect the player on the block has more then 3 points and -30 in 60 games. In addition, his unhappiness with the organization hurts his value. And some of you want a PROVEN player? Are you kidding?

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After all these years calling them Brooklyn is hard enough.

If Mike Bossy, Bryan Trottier, Clark Gilles or Billy Smith et al were dead they would turn in their grave.
I grew up my whole life on Long Island and if it was as simple as Wang moving to Brooklyn in a money grab I would agree with you.
However, having put up with the local politics and around a decade of doing everything possible to secure a new stadium in Nassau I am happy about Brooklyn.

I still remember ditching my Night classes at NCC to hit Islander games or my first Islander game ever(Grandfather took me to hooters before the game).

btw they closed the hooters near NVMC, no reason to stay.....


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When you are expecting some massive return, I expect the player on the block has more then 3 points and -30 in 60 games. In addition, his unhappiness with the organization hurts his value. And some of you want a PROVEN player? Are you kidding?
50 games of garbage time do not hurt his value, the Islanders also do not have to trade him it is not a high pressure situation.

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01-22-2013, 05:43 PM
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One has a stanley cup and if I am correct Kane also has a better PPG average over his career and is younger.
Uh, duh. I must have been drinking early today, because for some bizarro reason I thought you were talking about Evander Kane!

Ok, I am an idiot on this one. Of course someone with Hawksfan in their name should have made it obvious, but I had Evander's domination of trade proposals in my head. Thank you Boredmale for waking me up with the ring comment.

Different story there than. Chicago wouldn't trade Patty Kane for any reason shy of his demanding it. The offer you suggest is definitely what it would take if they did though. I would argue the proposal you made was too light even.

Why would they even want to trade the guy though? That I wouldn't understand.

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Lack + Corrado? NHL ready goalie prospect (considered Top 3 goalie prospect by every scouting service out there) and a rapidly progressing D... Just a thought, probably not the best offer out there. Add picks or whatever to fill it out.

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Because they had no one else to fill that role if you recall the rest of that supporting cast, and the outrageous injury toll the team had to deal with for several years. The past two years I saw a player who had consistency issues. He would have a brilliant couple of nights, followed by brain farts, or an inability to contain players more physical than him. He is great depth, but a reliable first pairing defenseman? Not even close. I had the privilege of watching McInnis and Pronger play in St Louis. That was a gifted first pair, with an offensive defenseman and defensive defenseman who complimented each other to dominate their conference. If you are telling me that Hamonic and MacDonald are even of that same mold I don't know what to say. Hamonic is and will develop into something of the physical defensive compliment with offensive upside and ability to pick up where his partner leaves off. He isn't the answer to an offensive defenseman. MacDonald is good defensive depth with a smidge of offensive upside. He is not first line material if you have real 1st pair material to chose from. That's been the unraveling of the Isles for a long time, using guys above their ability where they struggle, as MacDonald has some nights against high end teams. Let MacDonald settle into a 2nd pair role and see him flourish.

Or did I misread something again? You are trying to state that MacDonald is a true first pair defenseman, yes?
im saying he can be put on any pairing in the league wether it be with zdeno chara or erik karlsson and compliment both of their types of games very effectively, if i have more 1st pairing dmen to choose from yes i would put them in that spot before macdonald, and there would be a better result (such as dominating an entire conference) but macdonald would not frustrate coaches when put in that type of role

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Not a fan of either team, but Nino+ for Yandle sounds like a great fit for both teams. Maybe Bailey as the +

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Not a fan of either team, but Nino+ for Yandle sounds like a great fit for both teams. Maybe Bailey as the +
I doubt the Coyotes do that. Bailey is a pretty worthless + given the context.

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Yandle is too much. We're talking mainly about other prospects for Nino, not established top pairing NHLers.

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You aren't going to find happy Avs fans... ROR>>Nino, and Downie and Nielsen are too close to call.

You underrate the Avs players. ROR looks to be turning into a borderline #1C Selke type. Downie isn't a ****ing throw-in.
Isles can't afford to pay ROR the $5m he wants. that's Tavares money.

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From Columbus I would be willing to work something out centered around Umberger and Savard.

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I grew up my whole life on Long Island and if it was as simple as Wang moving to Brooklyn in a money grab I would agree with you.
However, having put up with the local politics and around a decade of doing everything possible to secure a new stadium in Nassau I am happy about Brooklyn.

I still remember ditching my Night classes at NCC to hit Islander games or my first Islander game ever(Grandfather took me to hooters before the game).

btw they closed the hooters near NVMC, no reason to stay.....




50 games of garbage time do not hurt his value, the Islanders also do not have to trade him it is not a high pressure situation.
I'd be pissed if they moved the Hawks to Milwaukee... That would never happen but if it did I would stop playing and watching hockey.

Of course the NHL would never allow an o 6 team to move, but if they did I would be a wreak - I would never be able to watch hockey ever again.

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When you are expecting some massive return, I expect the player on the block has more then 3 points and -30 in 60 games. In addition, his unhappiness with the organization hurts his value. And some of you want a PROVEN player? Are you kidding?
When did Snow put him on the block?


I thought 20 yr old Nino was 5 and 1/2 yrs from being a ufa.

I thought he was in the 2nd yr of a signed, 3 yr contract. So, no worries that he'll get offersheeted or bolt as a ufa.

Someone will need to explain WHY Snow has to trade Nino?

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In relation to Turris for Rundblad+2nd.

It was mentioned from the Jets as Postma+2nd.

I think the difference between Postma (a tall right handed PP specialist) and Rundblad may be slightly larger than the difference between Nino and Turris, so the Jets would add. Maybe another wing prospect like Telegin or Klingberg?
Turris was unsigned, with Phoenix worrying about an offersheet.

Nino is signed.

Just because Phoenix was forced to sign an trade Turris, doesn't mean Snow will be forced into a trade.

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When did Snow put him on the block?


I thought 20 yr old Nino was 5 and 1/2 yrs from being a ufa.

I thought he was in the 2nd yr of a signed, 3 yr contract. So, no worries that he'll get offersheeted or bolt as a ufa.

Someone will need to explain WHY Snow has to trade Nino?
He doesn't HAVE to trade Nino, but if he does, you're not going to get established top four defensemen for him.

I saw someone mention Nino+ for Yandle? That better be a pretty significant +.

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I doubt the Coyotes do that. Bailey is a pretty worthless + given the context.
Then another plus. Yandle has been rumored as moveable and the isles need an experienced top 2 Dman. Likewise the Yotes need offense and NYI has a gillion young forwards.

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