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01-22-2013, 05:40 PM
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I trust Bergevin more than Meehan at this point. As for the ice time argument... This as to be the more stupid arguments ever... If you think so, you probably were for the Rivet and Brisebois contract in 1990's and early 2000's... They both played a lot but were still overpaid by a fair much. The canadiens with them was not even as bad as the canadien were last year. I do think that Subban is a good defenseman but I would rather have Kulikov than him at this point in time ...
I'd trust Bergevin over Meehan, but when I guy that obviously loves being on the ice as much as Subban does is sitting out, I'm inclined to suspect he's being seriously lowballed

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That reminds me. Didn't PK have the most minor penalties in the NHL the last 2 seasons. Not saying he isn't valuable but he did cost the team some games with dumb penalties.
you can't have it both ways. see scott stevens, chris pronger, kevin hatcher, rob blake

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obviously sarcasm
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01-22-2013, 05:50 PM
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That reminds me. Didn't PK have the most minor penalties in the NHL the last 2 seasons. Not saying he isn't valuable but he did cost the team some games with dumb penalties.
Yes however, he was also one of the player to get other players to take the most penalties... kinda evens out !

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01-22-2013, 05:51 PM
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That reminds me. Didn't PK have the most minor penalties in the NHL the last 2 seasons. Not saying he isn't valuable but he did cost the team some games with dumb penalties.
He also lead defensemen in penalties draw. It works out so his differential is about average for a defenseman. So he probably won an equivalent amount of games with increased PP opportunities.

Subban and Emelin are crazy good for defensemen at pissing off opposing players to the point they take an infraction. Wisniewski was also good at it when he was here.

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01-22-2013, 06:13 PM
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so... a 20 year old playing on a struggling team in a franchise worst season, tried to do a bit too much?
Shocking.

Kulikov may very well develop into a similar, or even superior, player than Subban is/will be... but nothing we've seen thus far would indicate that. Subban wasn't just given a bigger role, he took a bigger role. let's not forget that he was an impact player in his first 2 NHL playoffs. In the 2nd year, he was quite reasonably the best player on the ice for both teams in the 7-game showdown with the eventual cup winners.
Sorry to break it to you.. but it's not very hard to take a bigger role on a team with gill, kaberle, diaz, emelin, gorges, etc on D. They just simply are NOT good.

and whoever mentioned OEL.. that's just retarded.. Kulikov is way better than OEL.
OEL was sent to the minors multiple times.

Kulikov has no rep because of where he plays, it's as simple as that. Subban is over hyped like many Habs.. it's starting to become a joke around here.

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01-22-2013, 06:14 PM
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It seem the mods have deleted all references to it, but for those who were worried about that rumour earlier:

https://twitter.com/Dave_Stubbs/stat...72258294878208
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The "trade P.K." attributed to agent Don Meehan you might have seen on Twitter is absolutely 100% untrue, Meehan tells me by text #Habs
https://twitter.com/Dave_Stubbs/stat...72761263251456
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I usually ignore rubbish like that but I've been asked enough about it to respond. Not even naming source. End of story #Habs @PKSubban1

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01-22-2013, 06:16 PM
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It seem the mods have deleted all references to it, but for those who were worried about that rumour earlier:

https://twitter.com/Dave_Stubbs/stat...72258294878208


https://twitter.com/Dave_Stubbs/stat...72761263251456
Thank you!

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01-22-2013, 06:31 PM
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I'm reserving judgement on MB but if he handles future signings like this one with key players involved I'm going to question his competency. 2 years at 2.75 mil is a joke. But hey were paying a defenceman with 2 bad knees 5.75 mil and a defenseman who can't play d to save his life or is effective in the PP 4.25 mil. No wonder this organization hasn't won a cup in 20 years.

edit:I know MB isn't responsible for Markov and Kaberle's contracts but that doesn't mean he has to lowball Subban

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01-22-2013, 06:33 PM
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Absofrigginlutely right. As much as anyone, PK has shown he's one of our best players. There he is, a precise example of who we want to build around, and we can lock him up for the foreseeable future with a contract that will end up saving us money in the long run. Overpaying slightly now will be more economical than being forced to vastly overpay in two years.

Does it set a precedent? Yes. It shows the Habs value talent and will pay accordingly.
Exactly, I don't buy the arguments that this will set a precedent for future RFA's that don't have PK's ability to demand money, just because PK got his. The whole thing is embarrassing for MB imo.

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01-22-2013, 06:38 PM
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Kane only punched that one cabby. His off ice issues are nowhere near those of PK's.
oh yeah, he only assaulted one poor cab driver... since when is assaulting another person not as bad as whatever you have concocted in your head? off-ice issues???

you know what, i've had enough of this **** and it's time to put up or shut the **** up: list pk's off-ice issues. do it.

P.S., im cranky before i have my morning coffee...

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01-22-2013, 06:42 PM
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oh yeah, he only assaulted one poor cab driver... since when is assaulting another person not as bad as whatever you have concocted in your head? off-ice issues???

you know what, i've had enough of this **** and it's time to put up or shut the **** up: list pk's off-ice issues. do it.

P.S., im cranky before i have my morning coffee...
Man, you live in Asia or what?

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01-22-2013, 06:45 PM
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Man, you live in Asia or what?
yeah...

alright, and it appears i may have overreacted. carry on

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01-22-2013, 06:49 PM
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That reminds me. Didn't PK have the most minor penalties in the NHL the last 2 seasons. Not saying he isn't valuable but he did cost the team some games with dumb penalties.
He drew a **** ton of penalties as well. PK makes things happen.

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01-22-2013, 06:51 PM
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oh yeah, he only assaulted one poor cab driver... since when is assaulting another person not as bad as whatever you have concocted in your head? off-ice issues???

you know what, i've had enough of this **** and it's time to put up or shut the **** up: list pk's off-ice issues. do it.

P.S., im cranky before i have my morning coffee...
He was joking, it's easier to follow if you actually read the thread.

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01-22-2013, 06:55 PM
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So he's still not signed yet?

Just checking...

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01-22-2013, 07:31 PM
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Honestly.. to offer your best Defenseman that contract is insulting.

Edit: I say best Defenseman since the past 3 seasons, Markov has been virtually unavailable.

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01-22-2013, 07:32 PM
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If this lingers on I can see him getting traded.

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01-22-2013, 07:58 PM
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He was joking, it's easier to follow if you actually read the thread.
this thread, yeah. the last ten pages of 4.0, no.

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01-22-2013, 09:20 PM
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Markov 2 goals, Diaz 2 assists. No ES goals against the Habs in 2 games. Keep it up, guys.

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Do you guys think Bergevin is seriously thinking about trading PK?

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Do you guys think Bergevin is seriously thinking about trading PK?
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Do you guys think Bergevin is seriously thinking about trading PK?
I don't see it. I think he would rather overpay than trade him.

Good thing about PK being out is Diaz getting more opportunities and making the most of it. He's been solid in his end and very smooth with the puck.

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P.K. who....????

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Do you guys think Bergevin is seriously thinking about trading PK?
I seriously doubt it. BUT... you have to at least wonder what Philadelphia would offer for a good D right about now. If there's one lesson we should've learned from Gauthier, it's never ignore the other GMs.

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