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01-23-2013, 06:07 AM
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After the PK lovefest that has occurred over the past while, particularly after the loss on saturday, I've read so many comments about how perfect PK's 2 years have been and how he has been a hockey mistake-free player. Make no mistake, PK has the talents to change a game, but what Markov showed me tonight in terms of CONTROLLING a game - PK has so much to learn. It shouldn't become a PK vs Markov comparison, but what I remember Markov being, and the reason we have all felt him to be so important to the team was on display. PK made a ton of brash mistakes that will happen and some simply careless ones as well as some real puck hogging at times. When I saw Markov dishing, shooting and making great D and neutral zone defensive plays, I just hope PK knows that he can in fact improve his game. THEN he will be worth what he thinks he is currently. Getting the attention sucked away from him has got to hurt. The more we win without him, the more the double bonus. (He'll realize he ain't 100% of the team, but an important cog AND ...we'll win.)
This forum runs on a myopic rearview mirror.

The Habs had one good game against a mediocre team and you're all popping the champagne.

We're going to win the Stanley Cup... with PK Subban at home in Toronto !!!

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Love how everyone here always repeats that Subban has a lot to learn!!
Subban knows how to protect himself 1000x better than Markov.
Markov is the one who still has a lot to learn.
Subban and Gorges can teach a lot to Markov, but since he's a verteran he may not be willing to listen. Against Toronto...Markov went down after placing himself in a vulnerable position against Kadri...someone has got to tell Markov not to turn his back on any play. Matter of time before he gets injured again...unless he finally learns how to protect himself the way Subban and Gorges do.


Enough with this thread...Markov is back (feels strange to see him healthy!)...we just need Subban back now. The lockout is over yet we still have to talk about why Subban isn't signed yet...@$%^&@#$#%^&*.
Man, just don't infer the wrong thing about what I said:

I love Subban. I've been arguing for a long-term contract for him. I beleive he is arguably out 1st defensemen, and without any argument our 2nd best.

But I still think he has a lot to learn. Which means, I believe he can be even better. He hasn't reached his ceiling, far from it.

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PK already has it. Markov is trying to wrestle it back.
PK is on his coach right now. Markov is winning games. You do the math.

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01-23-2013, 06:40 AM
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PK is on his coach right now. Markov is winning games. You do the math.
Markov has helped win one game.

You wanna "do the math" then go ahead, knowledgeable fans know where this team can go without PK Subban: 13th or 14th place in the conference as the maximum likelihood outcome, and if *everything* goes well, a ceiling that is a Cinderella run all the way to a 4 or 5 game first round playoff exit.

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01-23-2013, 07:16 AM
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There is no question Subban instead of Kaberle/Bouillion would make the D better.
There is no question Markov is an elite player.

Take the bridge kid, sitting at home isn't helping your case.

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This forum runs on a myopic rearview mirror.

The Habs had one good game against a mediocre team and you're all popping the champagne.

We're going to win the Stanley Cup... with PK Subban at home in Toronto !!!
Pretty much. We no longer need Subban.....until the next game where we lose and it's "pay him whatever he wants".

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01-23-2013, 07:28 AM
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Pretty much. We no longer need Subban.....until the next game where we lose and it's "pay him whatever he wants".
So... we alter between Doughty Money and Lowball Bridge contract?


Where did I heard that....?

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Markov has helped win one game.

You wanna "do the math" then go ahead, knowledgeable fans know where this team can go without PK Subban: 13th or 14th place in the conference as the maximum likelihood outcome, and if *everything* goes well, a ceiling that is a Cinderella run all the way to a 4 or 5 game first round playoff exit.
Just a reminder that we finished 15th last year WITH Subban in the line-up!!

Just saying...

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01-23-2013, 07:30 AM
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There is no question Subban instead of Kaberle/Bouillion would make the D better.
There is no question Markov is an elite player.

Take the bridge kid, sitting at home isn't helping your case.
It's not helping his case or the Habs case. We need Subban period!

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Just a reminder that we finished 15th last year WITH Subban in the line-up!!

Just saying...
So what? He was clearly not part of the problem.

We also finished 15th WITHOUT Prust, Bouillon or Markov in the line-up.

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So what? He was clearly not part of the problem.

We also finished 15th WITHOUT Prust, Bouillon or Markov in the line-up.
So what you're saying is that everybody was to blame but Subban for finishing 15th last year?

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So what you're saying is that everybody was to blame but Subban for finishing 15th last year?
No. I am saying that blaming Suban for finishing 15th is moronic, at best.

There was a lot of other reasons we finished last than "Subban was our #1 D-man"

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So what you're saying is that everybody was to blame but Subban for finishing 15th last year?
No, there were a few bright spots.

Subban, Gorges, Pacioretty, Cole, Price.

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No, there were a few bright spots.

Subban, Gorges, Pacioretty, Cole, Price.
People forget just HOW MUCH Subban played last year and how much responsibility was thrust upon him.

We have to sign him.

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No. I am saying that blaming Suban for finishing 15th is moronic, at best.

There was a lot of other reasons we finished last than "Subban was our #1 D-man"
I never blamed Subban for finishing 15th and never would either. Pretty much the whole team played like crap last year.

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Just a reminder that we finished 15th last year WITH Subban in the line-up!!

Just saying...
We also had Price as #1, does that mean we should trade him?

The fact that Subban was +9 with a ton of ice time(24:18 a night) on a 15th place team against top lines tells a big story.

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I never blamed Subban for finishing 15th and never would either. Pretty much the whole team played like crap last year.
Then what was that?

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Just a reminder that we finished 15th last year WITH Subban in the line-up!!

Just saying...

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No, there were a few bright spots.

Subban, Gorges, Pacioretty, Cole, Price.
I thought Price had a very subpar year...was really struggly early on.

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Man, just don't infer the wrong thing about what I said:

I love Subban. I've been arguing for a long-term contract for him. I beleive he is arguably out 1st defensemen, and without any argument our 2nd best.

But I still think he has a lot to learn. Which means, I believe he can be even better. He hasn't reached his ceiling, far from it.
I think I edited my previous post...

IMO, Subban has been our #1 dman since he joined our Habs.
And he definitely has not reached his ceiling (which would be Norris winner or top 3 candidate, imo). He's the best dman we've had since I can't remember.

Last season Subban was our MVP, imo (a season to forget...we'll just call it the GALCHENYUK season!! the season that got us a 3rd overall pick!).
Last season...Subban>Price>Gorges>Pacioretty>Cole>Pleks

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I thought Price had a very subpar year...was really struggly early on.
He never struggled... he was just consistently good... not great. We need Price to be great if we are to go anywhere with this team.

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He never struggled... he was just consistently good... not great. We need Price to be great if we are to go anywhere with this team.
He had 3-4 of his worst games in October and led to a 1-4-2 start.

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He had 3-4 of his worst games in October and led to a 1-4-2 start.
Oh yhea. HE was the reason we started 1-4-2

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Markov making his case. He's not ready to pass the torch of #1 Dman to PK just yet.
Markov usually can't pass the torch or anything else since both his hands are usually quite busy (holding crutches). The torch was automatically passed to Subban a long long time ago (been 3 years since we've seen a healthy Markov).

Everyone will despise Bergevin IF/WHEN Markov gets injured and Subban is still not signed (just a matter of time with Markov). It's frustrating...'cause Markov still has not learned how to protect himself (ex: Kadri hit last Saturday vs Leafs...Markov was so vulnerable you'd think he wanted to get injured...obviously I'm not saying he does but you know what I mean...he still turns his back to the player...fully trusting the player will not hit him from behind...****ing stupid if you ask me...dumb for such a cerebral player...Gorges and Subban should speak to Markov to let him know how to protect himself).

No Subban...No Markov... (it's coming!):
Bouillon - Gorges
Diaz - Emelin
Kaberle - Weber


top 3 overall pick...again, here we come!

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PK is on his coach right now. Markov is winning games. You do the math.
I see. So Markov is better but only by virtue of PK sitting out...

Compelling argument.

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Markov usually can't pass the torch or anything else since both his hands are usually quite busy (holding crutches). The torch was automatically passed to Subban a long long time ago (been 3 years since we've seen a healthy Markov).

Everyone will despise Bergevin IF/WHEN Markov gets injured and Subban is still not signed (just a matter of time with Markov). It's frustrating...'cause Markov still has not learned how to protect himself (ex: Kadri hit last Saturday vs Leafs...Markov was so vulnerable you'd think he wanted to get injured...obviously I'm not saying he does but you know what I mean...he still turns his back to the player...fully trusting the player will not hit him from behind...****ing stupid if you ask me...dumb for such a cerebral player...Gorges and Subban should speak to Markov to let him know how to protect himself).

No Subban...No Markov... (it's coming!):
Bouillon - Gorges
Diaz - Emelin
Kaberle - Weber


top 3 overall pick...again, here we come!
you!!!! you must be 5yrs old writting a post like that.... wow Habs fans never cease to amaze me.

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