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01-23-2013, 08:40 AM
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? What would you be looking for in a trade for Niskanen
Someone you couldn't afford to give up. A loss that would create a major hole in your lineup. He isn't going anywhere though.

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? What would you be looking for in a trade for Niskanen
The thread has been pretty adamant that he wouldn't be moved for anything less than a better defenseman.

He's working so well with Letang that nothing else would make sense.

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01-23-2013, 08:42 AM
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Someone you couldn't afford to give up. A loss that would create a major hole in your lineup. He isn't going anywhere though.
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Right now, no one needs Tangradi. He is out of place in Pittsburgh and its pretty sad ... a young, 6-4, 235 pound power forward can't seem to do much when he is paired with Malkin. I think his experiment in Pittsburgh might be coming to a close soon. Besides, Niskanen isn't going anywhere. You might not need him, but I don't think Montreal has the goods to get him either. There isn't a match.
Big difference

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01-23-2013, 08:43 AM
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The thread has been pretty adamant that he wouldn't be moved for anything less than a better defenseman.

He's working so well with Letang that nothing else would make sense.
That's fine, was just responding to the other poster who said we don't have the goods to trade from him

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01-23-2013, 08:44 AM
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The thread has been pretty adamant that he wouldn't be moved for anything less than a better defenseman.

He's working so well with Letang that nothing else would make sense.
Exactly.

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He was saying he wouldn't dislodge any of the top six. He is better than Emelin, Kaberle and Diaz. A healthy Markov, probably not, but lets face facts, Markov is an injury waiting to happen - like Hemsky.
He actually said top 4.

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Big difference
No, not really. If you aren't willing to give up a significant defenseman or someone like Patches, you don't have the goods. Niskanen is worth more than questionable prospects or low picks or a combo of such. In other words, the return would create a major hole in your lineup, so you wouldn't part with such - therefore, you don't have the goods to surrender. They go hand in hand.

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What a bizarre thread. Habs have zero needed for ANOTHER puckmover.

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He actually said top 4.
He is better than one of your top four and I need to see more of Markov or see him remain healthy before I say two. A healthy Markov is better. The Markov of the last three years - nope.

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What a bizarre thread. Habs have zero needed for ANOTHER puckmover.
And Pittsburgh has zero reason to trade him based on his play last season and the start of this. Then again, every single on of these threads, rarely any of them make sense trade wise.

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What a bizarre thread. Habs have zero needed for ANOTHER puckmover.
Pretty much.

You swing your stick and you're going to hit a puck mover for the habs. It's sad. Habs need physical, stay-at-home dman.

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No, not really. If you aren't willing to give up a significant defenseman or someone like Patches, you don't have the goods. Niskanen is worth more than questionable prospects or low picks or a combo of such. In other words, the return would create a major hole in your lineup, so you wouldn't part with such - therefore, you don't have the goods to surrender. They go hand in hand.
Ok sure buddy...

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01-23-2013, 08:59 AM
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You are sadly mistaken if you think Hemsky is worth any of those three. Exactly, it creates a hole. Why? Because Hemsky DOESN'T bring to the table ANYTHING that Sutter, Orpik or Kunitz bring. You have no idea what you get out of Hemsky. He is an enigma. To me, there isn't much value in a fragile Euro who makes 5 million per year, is lucky to get close to 40 points and play 50 games. That is a draft pick and a B or C prospect. Every GM in the league absent Edmonton's knows this and that is why Edmonton still has him after trying to get rid of him the last two trade deadlines. Agree to disagree
I will break this down for you.

Hemsky is a top line player who's value is severley diminished due to exactly what you said.

Kunitz is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. He fits in well on a top line in Pittsburgh but by himself he is not a top line player, Sutter is a 3rd liner, Orpik is a 2nd pairing D who was terrible last year.

If Hemsky was healthy and we knew what he would give a team every year within reason and it was what he has shown he is capable of, he would be worth far more than any of those players but since he has questions about his health he is only worth somewhere around what those players are worth.

I'm not trying to say this as an insult, Hemsky is a better player than any of those guys and I am taking into account his history when I said I think the value is fair.

Again, I don't think the Penguins would do that deal but it doesn't mean that the value is bad. It means it doesn't work for the Penguins. Those are two different things.

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He is better than one of your top four and I need to see more of Markov or see him remain healthy before I say two. A healthy Markov is better. The Markov of the last three years - nope.
My top 4? I hate the Habs. I'm a Bruins fan.

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01-23-2013, 09:06 AM
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Hemsky is a top line player who's value is severley diminished due to exactly what you said.

That is all you need to say. He doesn't fit into the Pens lineup whatsoever. Kunitz and Sutter are much better fits for what the Pens do than Hemsky could ever dream of. A healthy Hemsky; a motivated Hemsky could help someone greatly because he has the talent. That said, I'm not parting with any of the three you mentioned because I think they are better overall players and give the Pens what they need to win. Agree to disagree.

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My top 4? I hate the Habs. I'm a Bruins fan.
In that case, he might not be a top four in Boston. I was talking Montreal, which he would be.

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I will break this down for you.

Hemsky is a top line player who's value is severley diminished due to exactly what you said.

Kunitz is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. He fits in well on a top line in Pittsburgh but by himself he is not a top line player, Sutter is a 3rd liner, Orpik is a 2nd pairing D who was terrible last year.

If Hemsky was healthy and we knew what he would give a team every year within reason and it was what he has shown he is capable of, he would be worth far more than any of those players but since he has questions about his health he is only worth somewhere around what those players are worth.

I'm not trying to say this as an insult, Hemsky is a better player than any of those guys and I am taking into account his history when I said I think the value is fair.

Again, I don't think the Penguins would do that deal but it doesn't mean that the value is bad. It means it doesn't work for the Penguins. Those are two different things.
Orpik is our only REALLY physicaly d-man. He has been fighting injuries for the past two years. Hemsky is soft.

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I will break this down for you.

Hemsky is a top line player who's value is severley diminished due to exactly what you said.

Kunitz is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. He fits in well on a top line in Pittsburgh but by himself he is not a top line player, Sutter is a 3rd liner, Orpik is a 2nd pairing D who was terrible last year.

If Hemsky was healthy and we knew what he would give a team every year within reason and it was what he has shown he is capable of, he would be worth far more than any of those players but since he has questions about his health he is only worth somewhere around what those players are worth.

I'm not trying to say this as an insult, Hemsky is a better player than any of those guys and I am taking into account his history when I said I think the value is fair.

Again, I don't think the Penguins would do that deal but it doesn't mean that the value is bad. It means it doesn't work for the Penguins. Those are two different things.
Yeah, okay, keep telling yourself that.

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Tangradi is in a position where his value isn't that great & it's either going to get a lot of better or a lot worse depending how these next dozen games go.

Niskanen has turned into a heck of a player & a legitimate top 4 dman. We would want something like Bourque back if we are going to lose him.

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In that case, he might not be a top four in Boston. I was talking Montreal, which he would be.
I wouldn't dislodge Emelin for Niskanen personally, and I'm pretty sure most Habs fans would agree with me. It's not that Emelin is a much better hockey player, just that he brings something that is currently very scarce on the Habs top-6, let alone top-4.

Niskanen is redundant on the Habs and is pretty much the last type of player they should be looking for. Whether or not he looks good paired with Letang has no relevance whatsoever to the Habs' willingness in parting with substantial assets to get him.

I will give you that a Habs fan started this proposal, so I see your POV, but it is important to note the OP is not really good at this nor representative of most Habs fans around here.

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He is better than one of your top four and I need to see more of Markov or see him remain healthy before I say two. A healthy Markov is better. The Markov of the last three years - nope.
Healthy Markov>Subban>Semi Healthy Markov>Gorges>Emelin>Diaz=Niskanen

Niskanen wouldn't crack our top 4 and he is a lateral move to Diaz who is really starting to break out offensively.

Would you trade Neal for Diaz? Then maybe stop with the ridiculous Niskanen for Patches talk.

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Healthy Markov>Subban>Semi Healthy Markov>Gorges>Emelin>Diaz=Niskanen

Niskanen wouldn't crack our top 4 and he is a lateral move to Diaz who is really starting to break out offensively.

Would you trade Neal for Diaz? Then maybe stop with the ridiculous Niskanen for Patches talk.
You are utterly ridiculous and you fail to get the total point either. We aren't trading a top pairing Dman that works well with Letang for your garbage and marginal players. The only thing that would work is Subban who you wouldn't trade and I wouldn't want because he is a turd and Patches, who you wouldn't trade either. Not that Montreal should do either - no chance. It's not equal value, but its the closest thing to what Pittsburgh would want from your roster that would HELP. I wouldn't want anyone else on your roster. There is no trade here. The OP fails to figure that out.

Diaz for Neal is alot like me asking Tangradi for Subban.

And no, Diaz isn't equal to Niskanen. You must be blind if you think so. Agree to disagree.


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Where the **** did Hemsky come from again? It`s like groundhog day with him in any vaguely Pens-related thread.

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