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01-23-2013, 01:12 PM
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Was just thinking the same thing, and usually overtly biased to how much better similar players would be if they have a different jersey.

Anyway, the person you're responding to originally offered Staal for Subban, which is silly on this team. He amended it with a package around Del Zotto, which is much more feasible. Im glad this major shift didnt get in the way of a lecture, however.
No, he was responding to me and I don't remember suggesting Staal for Subban, ever. Certainly not recently. Also, I have the feeling that if Subban got traded he would sign a more reasonable deal and he just doesn't want to say in Montreal unless he gets paid.

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No, he was responding to me and I don't remember suggesting Staal for Subban, ever. Certainly not recently. Also, I have the feeling that if Subban got traded he would sign a more reasonable deal and he just doesn't want to say in Montreal unless he gets paid.
My apologies, thought you were condoning a top 4 defense containing both Subban and Del Zotto minus Staal, which would be a disaster.

But on to your Subban lovefest - I think hes OK, not great. Hes also done a pretty good job of portraying himself as a malcontent in a short time in the league - and Im not just talking about this contract holdout.

Even if he was amongst the best defensemen in the league, I'd proceed with extreme caution. Hes not that, so I dont think hes really worth moving heaven and earth for. Montreal wont let the Rangers **** them in a deal again, and Subban wants to get paid...way more than what hes worth right now. So, no thank you.

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What's with the condescending crap? It's not a love-fest; I think he's being sold short by the majority of posters in this thread and would make our defense significantly better and our offense more dangerous. The end. I think more highly of him than you do. By the way, if you're not talking about his contract situation, what are you talking about that he's done to prove he's a malcontent? I'm curious, not being snotty.

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01-23-2013, 02:00 PM
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What's with the condescending crap? It's not a love-fest; I think he's being sold short by the majority of posters in this thread and would make our defense significantly better and our offense more dangerous. The end. I think more highly of him than you do. By the way, if you're not talking about his contract situation, what are you talking about that he's done to prove he's a malcontent? I'm curious, not being snotty.
Condescending? You called my opinion that PK Subban cant yet consistently defend, and Im quoting here, "horse dung." You then went on to say that Subban CAN BE a top tier defenseman in this league, virtually ignoring the type of player he is RIGHT NOW. The player the Rangers would need to trade for, and pay for in the form of premium assets and cash. The Rangers are one of the Cup favorites already on paper. Why do they need to trade for what is essentially a lot of potential right now?

And thats not even getting into intangibles. I suggest you do some research on Subban and his time with the Canadians. You'll find that hes had an awfully high number of publicized run-ins with teammates throughout his young career. All the more reason not to bring him aboard.

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01-23-2013, 02:22 PM
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Condescending? You called my opinion that PK Subban cant yet consistently defend, and Im quoting here, "horse dung." You then went on to say that Subban CAN BE a top tier defenseman in this league, virtually ignoring the type of player he is RIGHT NOW. The player the Rangers would need to trade for, and pay for in the form of premium assets and cash. The Rangers are one of the Cup favorites already on paper. Why do they need to trade for what is essentially a lot of potential right now?

And thats not even getting into intangibles. I suggest you do some research on Subban and his time with the Canadians. You'll find that hes had an awfully high number of publicized run-ins with teammates throughout his young career. All the more reason not to bring him aboard.
I called your opinion that he's not a good enough defender to play in our top four horse dung, yes. He absolutely can and does consistently defend. He plays top PK minutes and 25 minutes a night in Montreal and is relied on as their number 1 offensively and defensively. Again, he's much better than being given credit for. RIGHT NOW. On this roster, with Staal, McDonagh and Girardi, he's MORE than defensively capable enough that he wouldn't be a liability on one of those pairings. He's just a much better defender than you want to acknowledge. That's fine; I could give a crap less what you actually think of him, but if you think him playing second pairing minutes next to Staal, he would be a defender who "can't defend" than you are just massively biased. As for why would we trade for him? We won't. These are called DISCUSSION boards. Somebody ELSE brought up Subban and he's being DISCUSSED. I'm just joining in the discussion, not phoning Sather and begging him to make a trade. We're discussing what kind of fit he would be, what he would cost, how he would effect the team. I have my opinion and you have yours. In my opinion, saying Subban is just "a lot of potential" right now is absolutely ridiculous. He's already been an all-star. He's scoring 35 points a year in his early 20s while being relied upon as THE top defensive option on his team. I hardly think that's "just potential". He has the potential to be EVEN BETTER, but he's already an extremely good defenseman. I guess that's where our opinions differ, but that's just too bad. I think I'm going to take these boards very sparingly this season.

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01-23-2013, 02:34 PM
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I called your opinion that he's not a good enough defender to play in our top four horse dung, yes. He absolutely can and does consistently defend. He plays top PK minutes and 25 minutes a night in Montreal and is relied on as their number 1 offensively and defensively. Again, he's much better than being given credit for. RIGHT NOW. On this roster, with Staal, McDonagh and Girardi, he's MORE than defensively capable enough that he wouldn't be a liability on one of those pairings. He's just a much better defender than you want to acknowledge. That's fine; I could give a crap less what you actually think of him, but if you think him playing second pairing minutes next to Staal, he would be a defender who "can't defend" than you are just massively biased. As for why would we trade for him? We won't. These are called DISCUSSION boards. Somebody ELSE brought up Subban and he's being DISCUSSED. I'm just joining in the discussion, not phoning Sather and begging him to make a trade. We're discussing what kind of fit he would be, what he would cost, how he would effect the team. I have my opinion and you have yours. In my opinion, saying Subban is just "a lot of potential" right now is absolutely ridiculous. He's already been an all-star. He's scoring 35 points a year in his early 20s while being relied upon as THE top defensive option on his team. I hardly think that's "just potential". He has the potential to be EVEN BETTER, but he's already an extremely good defenseman. I guess that's where our opinions differ, but that's just too bad. I think I'm going to take these boards very sparingly this season.
You keep going back to how Subban was an integral part of last year's Montreal team.

Remind me again, how successful was that team? 25 minutes per night and 35 points can be interpreted a lot of different ways.

I know how I like to interpret it when its on an awful squad.

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01-23-2013, 02:41 PM
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You keep going back to how Subban was an integral part of last year's Montreal team.

Remind me again, how successful was that team? 25 minutes per night and 35 points can be interpreted a lot of different ways.

I know how I like to interpret it when its on an awful squad.
Yep. And one 22-23 year old defenseman is going to carry it. There are no good players on bad teams, that's for sure. Love the logic. How do you interpret Eberle, Hall and RNH? They must BLOW because there's three of them and they still finished second to last. I mean, it couldn't be that they're good but their team is just severely lacking in many other ways? Rick Nash sucks too. His team finished dead last. In fact, they only made the playoffs once in his whole decade their. What a loser. Wouldn't want him on my team.

Edit: It's not like the Canadian's haven't made the playoffs with PK being their #1 before either. Tyler Myers must suck too. His team stunk it up most of last year. All his fault. Same for Bogosian, Enstrom, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Hedman, Gleason, Faulk.


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Yep. And one 22-23 year old defenseman is going to carry it. There are no good players on bad teams, that's for sure. Love the logic. How do you interpret Eberle, Hall and RNH? They must BLOW because there's three of them and they still finished second to last. I mean, it couldn't be that they're good but their team is just severely lacking in many other ways? Rick Nash sucks too. His team finished dead last. In fact, they only made the playoffs once in his whole decade their. What a loser. Wouldn't want him on my team.

Edit: It's not like the Canadian's haven't made the playoffs with PK being their #1 before either. Tyler Myers must suck too. His team stunk it up most of last year. All his fault. Same for Bogosian, Enstrom, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Hedman, Gleason, Faulk.
Can't all be #1 defensemen.

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Can't all be #1 defensemen.
Take your pick. Point remains the same. And my argument isn't that Subban is an undisputed #1 d-man. He is for his team. Is he a leper if he's a #2? They're no good? Don't take hyperbole and focus on the minutiae when the point is very clear. Good players on bad teams.

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Yep. And one 22-23 year old defenseman is going to carry it. There are no good players on bad teams, that's for sure. Love the logic. How do you interpret Eberle, Hall and RNH? They must BLOW because there's three of them and they still finished second to last. I mean, it couldn't be that they're good but their team is just severely lacking in many other ways? Rick Nash sucks too. His team finished dead last. In fact, they only made the playoffs once in his whole decade their. What a loser. Wouldn't want him on my team.

Edit: It's not like the Canadian's haven't made the playoffs with PK being their #1 before either. Tyler Myers must suck too. His team stunk it up most of last year. All his fault. Same for Bogosian, Enstrom, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Hedman, Gleason, Faulk.
I would trade Kreider/draft pick straight up for Subban in a heartbeat . Subban could be as good defensively on a club like we have and he would also provide much more on the offensive upside . He has star written all over him...but I also know the money does not work .

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You keep going back to how Subban was an integral part of last year's Montreal team.

Remind me again, how successful was that team? 25 minutes per night and 35 points can be interpreted a lot of different ways.

I know how I like to interpret it when its on an awful squad.
Subban is a very good D.

I don't know if he ever will become a top 3-5 D, but just short of that seems very likely.

He has it all. A hitting ability McD and Staal only can dream of. He is very good on the PP. He moves really well.

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I would trade Kreider/draft pick straight up for Subban in a heartbeat . Subban could be as good defensively on a club like we have and he would also provide much more on the offensive upside . He has star written all over him...but I also know the money does not work .
Why would the Habs trade their stud, RH PMD who is efficient at both ends of the rink for a struggling player like Kreider?

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Why would the Habs trade their stud, RH PMD who is efficient at both ends of the rink for a struggling player like Kreider?
In my NHL 13 dynasty, Kreider-Galchenyuk are really deadly 3 years from now. Maybe that's why.


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Why would the Habs trade their stud, RH PMD who is efficient at both ends of the rink for a struggling player like Kreider?
Because Kreider is actually playing?

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Because Kreider is actually playing?
So is Stu Bickel?

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Because Kreider is actually playing?
Thats awesome asset management right there.

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So is Stu Bickel?
stu for subban than

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Hey Guys. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. Didn't feel like reading through 23 pages of posts.

Does anyone else here feel that kreider should be playing in the top 6?

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Hey Guys. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. Didn't feel like reading through 23 pages of posts.

Does anyone else here feel that kreider should be playing in the top 6?
Yes, and I believe he is starting on the 2nd (USA) line tonight with Stepan and Callahan.

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Yes, and I believe he is starting on the 2nd (USA) line tonight with Stepan and Callahan.
hes putting nash richards and gab together? should be interesting.

i would like to see a kreider stepan nash line.

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Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Dallas has the money to pay Jamie Benn. The issue is Benn does not want a long term deal. He wants a 3 year deal. 5 Max. He wants Jeff Skinner dollars in a 5 year deal and not the 6 years Skinner got. Dallas wants a cheaper deal for 5 years. They won't give him Skinner money for 5 years. They will give it to him for 6 but Benn doesn't want 6.
Agree.

What sensible win-win, preferably keeping Kreider, is a deal we can make that gives us Benn for 3 years?

What would Dallas want?

If we ate a portion of his contract (the only really huge one on NYR not Gabby or Nash), could we send Brad Richards back? Would he go?

If yes to those, then
B. Richards + X
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Agree.

What sensible win-win, preferably keeping Kreider, is a deal we can make that gives us Benn for 3 years?

What would Dallas want?

If we ate a portion of his contract (the only really huge one on NYR not Gabby or Nash), could we send Brad Richards back? Would he go?

If yes to those, then
B. Richards + X
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J. Benn + y

Very entertaining in response to a post that reads: "Where do you guys come up with this stuff?". Excellent one up. Would read again. 10/10

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There are some real jokers on this site...I sugguest trading Hagelin and everyone cries bloody murder and the same people sugguest trading Giradi or Staal or anyone of our top players for P.K Subban...that is some good stuff.

I also said that Lucic is a more dominate player that Krejci and I read nonsense after nonsense how Krejci was 10x's the player Lucic is...all I know is that Lucic will torment us for the next 12 years.

I also have read how Pyatt is slow and sucks and we need a better 3rd line player...

Do you guys really know hockey...


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Nice turnover Hag's...way to go...between him and Boyle...painful to watch!

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How is Haleprin doing tonight, oh wait...he is barely playing because he sucks.

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