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P.K. Subban Thread - 5.0 - The "Doughty Money Vs. Lowball Bridge" Edition

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01-23-2013, 02:38 PM
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Obviously, no player will come out with a clear statement against PK. You just don't do that in team sports, and especially in Montreal! We're not watching some reality show here.

I think it's very legitimate that some posters come to the conclusion that PK might not be really liked in the dressing room by some of his teammates. There are enough incidents and allusions to believe that it's a possibility. Clearly not the absolute proof you ask for, but enough to suggest that it might be something we have to take into consideration when talking about his contract.

Still, that doesn't mean they, and that's also my point of view, want PK out or dislike him. It means that it might be risky to give him a long term contract and that it could explain why the negotiations are complex.

Obviously, it's possible that it has nothing to do with it and that it's just about the money. But there is no evidence of that neither. With all respect, until you can prove it's only money related, I don't see why you refuse to take into consideration other hypothesis.
Your rational thoughts do not belong here sir. please put your rosey coloured glasses on and defend the second coming of christ ie PK Subban.


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Your rational thoughts do not belong here sir. please put your rosey coloured glasses on and defend the second coming of christ ie PK Subban.

Well said.

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01-23-2013, 02:43 PM
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Please don't say this. If PK is gone we're really messed up for the future. THAT would be the darkest day...
Hey, no argument. You call him a cornerstone, I call him a support beam, either way he's a huge part of our team's future. But think about it -- Subban has opted to NOT PLAY rather than accept whatever was offered. This is bad. This melodrama underscores just how little we know about what goes on behind the scenes with players, agents and management. Gomez is part of the roster, until the next day when he's fired; Cammalleri's harsh comments were no big deal, until the next day when he's traded mid-period.

We discuss these guys like they're simple game pieces on a Monopoly board, but there's more wheeling and dealing than we will ever know.

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01-23-2013, 02:48 PM
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Your rational thoughts do not belong here sir. please put your rosey coloured glasses on and defend the second coming of christ ie PK Subban.

Yeah, who needs proof of something when denigrating a player?

If that's what's considered rosey coloured glasses, then colour me (and everyone else that doesn't assume things or blindly swallow conjecture) rose.

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01-23-2013, 02:54 PM
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Your rational thoughts do not belong here sir. please put your rosey coloured glasses on and defend the second coming of christ ie PK Subban.

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01-23-2013, 03:01 PM
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Subban could fetch us a VERY good young forward in return to round out our offense and make us a real threat offensively.

We have some defensive depth right now, and, this upcoming draft is supposed to be rich with good dmen.


Just sayin'

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01-23-2013, 03:08 PM
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Subban could fetch us a VERY good young forward in return to round out our offense and make us a real threat offensively.

We have some defensive depth right now, and, this upcoming draft is supposed to be rich with good dmen.


Just sayin'
I really like Eberle.

I'm really not sure how his value compares to Subban though.

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They probably don't want to part with Eberle.... but they could sure use a Subbie-doo on their team!

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Subban could fetch us a VERY good young forward in return to round out our offense and make us a real threat offensively.

We have some defensive depth right now, and, this upcoming draft is supposed to be rich with good dmen.


Just sayin'
i'm not understanding this too well. the Habs could become an offensive threat - but the upcoming draft is rich with defensemen?

so you're basically saying that we should trade Subban and hope we get a top 10 pick and wait for that defenseman to develop ( which could take 2-3 years )?

why not simply keep Subban in this scenario and draft one of the many quality forwards in the upcoming draft. won't take as long to develop.

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We're not getting Eberle for Subban. Forget about it.

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We're not getting Eberle for Subban. Forget about it.
Well, not straight up.. but yeah I doubt it too.

I think they would be more willing to move someone like Yakupov and keep the good ol' canadian boy.

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i'm not understanding this too well. the Habs could become an offensive threat - but the upcoming draft is rich with defensemen?

so you're basically saying that we should trade Subban and hope we get a top 10 pick and wait for that defenseman to develop ( which could take 2-3 years )?

why not simply keep Subban in this scenario and draft one of the many quality forwards in the upcoming draft. won't take as long to develop.
I'm just sayin' man.

Did you miss the, just sayin' part?

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01-23-2013, 03:17 PM
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I'm just sayin' man.

Did you miss the, just sayin' part?

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You are quite a piece of work.
He likes to use the word "conjecture" a lot. Going to go look it up now. Not quite sure what it means. I have an idea, but I'd like to know for sure.

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01-23-2013, 03:25 PM
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They probably don't want to part with Eberle.... but they could sure use a Subbie-doo on their team!
Taylor Hall would be perfect .

But Subban won't be tradedl, and if he is, it won't be before next Draft.

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He likes to use the word "conjecture" a lot. Going to go look it up now. Not quite sure what it means. I have an idea, but I'd like to know for sure.
Look up ad hominem while you are there, and explain it to onebighockeyfan please.

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Subban + Bourque
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Benn + Souray

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i doubt Benn would want to play in a major hockey market.

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Souray plays for the Ducks.

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i doubt Benn would want to play in a major hockey market.
Other than Souray not playing for Dallas, it would still leave us with a giant gap on defense in the future.

The only logical deal when it comes to Subban, and I doubt he'll get moved, is getting another minute monster back on D. Someone that can play an insane amount of ice time in all facets of the game, and that can do it well.

Basically we would need another defensive thoroughbred back in the deal.

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Look up ad hominem while you are there, and explain it to onebighockeyfan please.
'Logical fallacies' might be worth it, too.

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01-23-2013, 03:43 PM
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Souray is playing with the Ducks this year.


But Dallas have many interesting young assets in the minors like the giant Oleksiak.

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Out of all the trade proposal I like your framework the best. Not the trade itself but the package of players.

We'd have to get a very good, servicable defenman and a top end forward player. PK alone won't get you that but packaging him with an Eller or a Bourque gets you closer to an acceptable package. We would have to get a "star" back in the trade, whether he be a forward or a defencman.

I'm not proposing we trade PK but if it gets to that point, there may not be a choice and we better get a damn kings randsom in return or I wouldn't even consider it.

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