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01-23-2013, 03:08 PM
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His career average is 22 goals a season... without giroux he could go back to a 22 goal scorer... wed lose perry our 1st and dsp who could potentially become a 22 goal scorer with almost the same play style to hartnell
Explain what the Ducks are losing here? We lose perry gain a 22 goal scorer average according to you. Hes signed long term. We lose a perry who can be arguably have his numbers reduced by top line minutes and etc. He doesn't sign here we lose him for nothing and possibly keep a 22-30 first round draft pick and DSP. What's the argument? Why are we arguing? We could get more? Explain what's your proposal? This is silly

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01-23-2013, 03:10 PM
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And Perry's stats are good because he played with Getzlaf and Ryan

This is the second time Hartnell has scored 30+, and the first time Giroux had nothing to do with it. (Perry has "only" scored 30+ 3 times). If you're going to characterize Hartnell as an over achieving 20-25 goal scorer, then I don't want to EVER hear you characterize Perry as a 40-50 goal scorer, he's an overachieving 30 goal scorer. He'll likely never approach 50 again.
I agree I created this thread to get real advice on the trade. Hartnell has proved he's worth it, signed long term and had numbers to prove it. I guess we all have homer fans don't we eh? Lol

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01-23-2013, 03:12 PM
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And Perry's stats are good because he played with Getzlaf and Ryan

This is the second time Hartnell has scored 30+, and the first time Giroux had nothing to do with it. (Perry has "only" scored 30+ 3 times). If you're going to characterize Hartnell as an over achieving 20-25 goal scorer, then I don't want to EVER hear you characterize Perry as a 40-50 goal scorer, he's an overachieving 30 goal scorer. He'll likely never approach 50 again.
Find me saying perry is a 40-50 guy? Perry is a 30+ guy... with a olympic gold medal/world juniors gold medal/memorial cup/stanley cup/hart trophy/rocket richard winner. He wins and he scores thats what he does.

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01-23-2013, 03:15 PM
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Explain what the Ducks are losing here? We lose perry gain a 22 goal scorer average according to you. Hes signed long term. We lose a perry who can be arguably have his numbers reduced by top line minutes and etc. He doesn't sign here we lose him for nothing and possibly keep a 22-30 first round draft pick and DSP. What's the argument? Why are we arguing? We could get more? Explain what's your proposal? This is silly
Your assuming we make the playoffs because were 2-0? We do pretty good in drafts id much rather keep the pick(its a deep draft), dsp could become a player like hartnell. And were losing Perry, if perry says im going to test FA yes i agree we trade him, but not give up our 1st and a good prospect for a guy that could put up 20 goals. I can tell you that other teams would offer better with out having to lose our 1st and dsp.

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01-23-2013, 03:16 PM
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I agree I created this thread to get real advice on the trade. Hartnell has proved he's worth it, signed long term and had numbers to prove it. I guess we all have homer fans don't we eh? Lol
Id have a hard time trading a 1st + dsp for hartnell let alone perry + that.

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01-23-2013, 03:27 PM
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Id have a hard time trading a 1st + dsp for hartnell let alone perry + that.
And I'd have a hard time trading anything of substantial value for an unsigned Corey Perry (3 month rental). I don't see the Flyers winning the cup w/ this defensive group, so the only value I see in Corey Perry is for the future and in order to have him for the future, we have to sign him. I'd much rather just sit on our hands / give up nothing and let Perry go to free agency and then have Holmgren go hard after him with a boatload of money and the pitch of "how'd you like to have Claude Giroux feeding you pucks for the next 7 years?"

Unless that 1st round pick is in the top 5 (MAYBE top 10), then dsp + 1st for Hartnell is a steal for Anaheim.

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Drop the 1st rounder and i would do this... Pending Hartnell's got 3 plus years on his contract... Perry would resign in Philly

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Your assuming we make the playoffs because were 2-0? We do pretty good in drafts id much rather keep the pick(its a deep draft), dsp could become a player like hartnell. And were losing Perry, if perry says im going to test FA yes i agree we trade him, but not give up our 1st and a good prospect for a guy that could put up 20 goals. I can tell you that other teams would offer better with out having to lose our 1st and dsp.
Wow I lost you at DSP who's a 3rd if lucky and a 4th line player. For a Scott Hartnell whos a top 6

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01-23-2013, 03:32 PM
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Drop the 1st rounder and i would do this... Pending Hartnell's got 3 plus years on his contract... Perry would resign in Philly
Why are you holding our first? Dd

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Now you have completely lost me.

You proposed Perry + 1st + DSP

for

Hartnell + 2nd

I said Ducks give up way too much.

Now you're telling me how good Perry is which as a Ducks fan isn't news to me.

Please explain what I'm missing here?
37 goal scorer who's played 82 games two seasons in a row? That's Hartnell he's talking about, not Perry.

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And I'd have a hard time trading anything of substantial value for an unsigned Corey Perry (3 month rental). I don't see the Flyers winning the cup w/ this defensive group, so the only value I see in Corey Perry is for the future and in order to have him for the future, we have to sign him. I'd much rather just sit on our hands / give up nothing and let Perry go to free agency and then have Holmgren go hard after him with a boatload of money and the pitch of "how'd you like to have Claude Giroux feeding you pucks for the next 7 years?"

Unless that 1st round pick is in the top 5 (MAYBE top 10), then dsp + 1st for Hartnell is a steal for Anaheim.
I have nothing against what you said, i dont think you guys should go for perry unless he becomes a UFA, you guys need defense if you have any shot at a cup this season. A team that feels they can win the cup will likely offer a decent package for perry, and we wouldnt lose our first and dsp.

And id say philly prob 1 of the teams that would be in the running for perry if he goes UFA.

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Were on pace for a playoff run with Winnik being acquired according to Yahoo. Our draft pick will be bad. So this is a non argument if true.
We have played TWO games so far. Two.

Let's not start predicting our draft position just yet...

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Why are you holding our first? Dd
I like dsp more than anyone in the world

If we have to part with the 1st to make the deal that's fine...

We are getting nyi sweet 2nd next year

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Hartnell is being severely underrated here, Flyers say no to OPs deal fairly easily. Most I would give for an unsigned Perry is Read and a 1st.

And this?!

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I don't see how this deal makes Anaheim any better in the future or the present. They lose...


- 40 to 50 goal scorer in Perry (Up coming UFA)
- Prospect in DSP who could fill a void left on the second line.
- First in a deep draft


for...


- A good player but not someone you build around in Hartnell
- 2nd round pick



I fail to see the good in this. Don't get me wrong I like Hartnell but you do not build your team around him he is a guy you bring in to support your core.
Is the most homerish post I've seen on these boards in such a long time. Perry is a 40-50 goal scorer but Hartnell is a good player but someone you don't build around. We do build around Hartnell and he has been part of the best line for the Flyers since 2010 when Leino-Briere-Hartnell was tearing it up in the Stanley Cup Finals. How it makes your team better? How about you get a less expensive slightly less skilled, Perry replacement for the next 6 years vs 6 weeks of Perry and he walks. That sounds like it helps you out a lot more then it helps us.

I need to expand on this more. You said hes a 40-50 goalscorer hes scored 50 once. Hes never scored in the 40-50 range ever, besides his 50 goal season. Without going to NHL.com please do tell me which one is which;

82 GP 37 Goals 30 Assists 67 Points +19 136 PIMS 16 PPG 232 Shots
80 GP 37 Goals 23 Assists 60 Points -7 127 PIMS 14 PPG 277 Shots

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People need to understand that Hartnell's age & contract are quite bad for the Ducks. Ducks are not trying to get older and they don't want to be stuck with a player who has 4.75M cap hit until he's 37.

That's why this deal is horrible for Ducks.

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I like dsp more than anyone in the world

If we have to part with the 1st to make the deal that's fine...

We are getting nyi sweet 2nd next year
That's why giving up our 1st for a NYI second wouldn't be bad to land Hartnell. Do you see my logic here? We still pull a solid prospect and 32-33 projected draft spot.

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People need to understand that Hartnell's age & contract are quite bad for the Ducks. Ducks are not trying to get older and they don't want to be stuck with a player who has 4.75M cap hit until he's 37.

That's why this deal is horrible for Ducks.

Wait he's 30 years old so in 7 years
Teemu koivu souray Lydman maybe beauch , Etc will all be retired for some time .. age isn't a concern for the ducks

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Hartnell is being severely underrated here, Flyers say no to OPs deal fairly easily. Most I would give for an unsigned Perry is Read and a 1st.

And this?!



Is the most homerish post I've seen on these boards in such a long time. Perry is a 40-50 goal scorer but Hartnell is a good player but someone you don't build around. We do build around Hartnell and he has been part of the best line for the Flyers since 2010 when Leino-Briere-Hartnell was tearing it up in the Stanley Cup Finals. How it makes your team better? How about you get a less expensive slightly less skilled, Perry replacement for the next 6 years vs 6 weeks of Perry and he walks. That sounds like it helps you out a lot more then it helps us.

I need to expand on this more. You said hes a 40-50 goalscorer hes scored 50 once. Hes never scored in the 40-50 range ever, besides his 50 goal season. Without going to NHL.com please do tell me which one is which;

82 GP 37 Goals 30 Assists 67 Points +19 136 PIMS 16 PPG 232 Shots
80 GP 37 Goals 23 Assists 60 Points -7 127 PIMS 14 PPG 277 Shots
Your comparing Perrys worst year to hartnells best year? Go back 3-4 years and average the stats to get a better idea of the kind of players they are.

38 27 65 -8 303 shots 13 ppg? OMG hartnell stats are better then his too...

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People need to understand that Hartnell's age & contract are quite bad for the Ducks. Ducks are not trying to get older and they don't want to be stuck with a player who has 4.75M cap hit until he's 37.

That's why this deal is horrible for Ducks.
Umm he's signed first and foremost? He scores goals is a top 6 long term for us. Can replace production for our top 6 if Koivu, Selanne, and Getz and Perry leaves. He has gritt! AMAZING along the boards and in eastern conference to boot! Solid player if Anaheim can land him.

Even for a first and DSP and a Perry

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Wait he's 30 years old so in 7 years
Teemu koivu souray Lydman maybe beauch , Etc will all be retired for some time .. age isn't a concern for the ducks
Good post agreed.

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Umm he's signed first and foremost? He scores goals is a top 6 long term for us. Can replace production for our top 6 if Koivu, Selanne, and Getz and Perry leaves. He has gritt! AMAZING along the boards and in eastern conference to boot! Solid player if Anaheim can land him.

Even for a first and DSP and a Perry
He most likely wont be all that for the rest of his contract... im guessing he starts slowing down soon. He doesnt come anywhere close to replacing production for koivu selanne getz and perry.... and if getz is gone i doubt he hits 20 goals with our centers. Ill keep dsp the 1st and trade perry for picks/prospects.

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He most likely wont be all that for the rest of his contract... im guessing he starts slowing down soon. He doesnt come anywhere close to replacing production for koivu selanne getz and perry.... and if getz is gone i doubt he hits 20 goals with our centers. Ill keep dsp the 1st and trade perry for picks/prospects.
Of course u would do this
But Getz being gone isn't involved
In this scenario...

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Philly wins BIG here. No coincidence that Hartnell's offense took off when Giroux took the next step.

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Hartnell is being severely underrated here, Flyers say no to OPs deal fairly easily. Most I would give for an unsigned Perry is Read and a 1st.

And this?!



Is the most homerish post I've seen on these boards in such a long time. Perry is a 40-50 goal scorer but Hartnell is a good player but someone you don't build around. We do build around Hartnell and he has been part of the best line for the Flyers since 2010 when Leino-Briere-Hartnell was tearing it up in the Stanley Cup Finals. How it makes your team better? How about you get a less expensive slightly less skilled, Perry replacement for the next 6 years vs 6 weeks of Perry and he walks. That sounds like it helps you out a lot more then it helps us.

I need to expand on this more. You said hes a 40-50 goalscorer hes scored 50 once. Hes never scored in the 40-50 range ever, besides his 50 goal season. Without going to NHL.com please do tell me which one is which;

82 GP 37 Goals 30 Assists 67 Points +19 136 PIMS 16 PPG 232 Shots
80 GP 37 Goals 23 Assists 60 Points -7 127 PIMS 14 PPG 277 Shots
IF you're going to compare stats on players at least do it with comparable years. Perry was barely outperformed by Hartnell when his team was in the bottom of the league while the Flyers were prepped to go deep in the playoffs with career years out of multiple players. Very similar to Perry's 2010-11.

82 GP 37 Goals 30 Assists 67 Points +19 136 PIM 16 PPG 232 shots
82 GP 50 Goals 48 Assists 98 Points +9 104 PIM 14 PPG 290 shots

And for those who compared the number of 30+ goal seasons between the two players, Perry is up 3-2 with 4 less years of exp.

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Were on pace for a playoff run with Winnik being acquired according to Yahoo. Our draft pick will be bad. So this is a non argument if true.
Even the 30th overall should be a good pick this year, though I like how after two games our pick is going to be late. Jesus.

This thread is a catastrophe.

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