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01-23-2013, 03:32 PM
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Great points.. The "Ruin a player if you rush him" statement is overblown.
It is closer to a full blown myth.

It is true that a players development can be delayed due to confidence issues but they don't lose their skills. The fact is that if the confidence issue ends up being a killer, they never had the mental fortitude to make it in the first place.

There are many, many examples of players who came into the league at a young age and struggled early in their careers only to blossom later on.

A myth created and perpetuated by fans and the media.

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It is closer to a full blown myth.

It is true that a players development can be delayed due to confidence issues but they don't lose their skills. The fact is that if the confidence issue ends up being a killer, they never had the mental fortitude to make it in the first place.

There are many, many examples of players who came into the league at a young age and struggled early in their careers only to blossom later on.

A myth created and perpetuated by fans and the media.
Pierre Maguire had a pretty good point this morning on the team, was it the 07 Draft with Eller, he said to have a look and see how many guys from that year have been traded already, is reasoning was the pressure on these kids at too young an age.

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Pierre Maguire had a pretty good point this morning on the team, was it the 07 Draft with Eller, he said to have a look and see how many guys from that year have been traded already, is reasoning was the pressure on these kids at too young an age.
Maguire is a fool.

I suppose only kids from the 2007 draft were under more pressure than kids from every other draft??

The fact is that in retrospect it was a very weak draft as far as top end talent is concerned. Many of the players that were traded were included in deals to acquire big name talent as opposed to being jettisoned due to a lack of progression.

As an example, Kyle Turris was under relatively no pressure in Phoenix and playing in the NCAA but really struggled to improve his game. If he was brought up as an 18 year old, everyone with a half-cocked opinion would be crying in unison that the Coyotes brought him up too early and stunted his development. Turris is slowly improving and we don't know what he will end up being but the first few seasons of his career will have absolutely no bearing on the type of player he is when he is 30.

These players are going to progress at their own rate and sometimes not at all. There is very little an NHL team can do that will have an effect on their final outcome as an NHLer other than to possibly slow the process.


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01-23-2013, 05:03 PM
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I would like to, once again, note he's a USA prospect that has been drafted. Also, I'm down to 2 hockey wishes after asking that the big, skilled, grinder, and sniper was played in the position he was drafted in... CENTER. Ok, I have 2 left. Want me to wish Leblanc is used as a center? Maybe playing our D on their natural side? Let me know.

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It is closer to a full blown myth.

It is true that a players development can be delayed due to confidence issues but they don't lose their skills. The fact is that if the confidence issue ends up being a killer, they never had the mental fortitude to make it in the first place.

There are many, many examples of players who came into the league at a young age and struggled early in their careers only to blossom later on.

A myth created and perpetuated by fans and the media.
In all fields of human endeavor there are optimal development and learning strategies.

Human beings learn better when they're challenged, but not too much.

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In all fields of human endeavor there are optimal development and learning strategies.

Human beings learn better when they're challenged, but not too much.
Ya, it always comes down to the "not too much", because I can tell you this! "Too much" seems to make them angry as hell.

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In all fields of human endeavor there are optimal development and learning strategies.

Human beings learn better when they're challenged, but not too much.
Thank you. This is the most important part of the discussion. No one learns
at a ideal rate when they are overwhelmed. And all 18 year-olds need to learn
to play in the NHL. Certainly Galchenyuk does.

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01-23-2013, 06:13 PM
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Thank you. This is the most important part of the discussion. No one learns
at a ideal rate when they are overwhelmed. And all 18 year-olds need to learn
to play in the NHL. Certainly Galchenyuk does.
Luckily he doesn't seem nervous at all. Skatin around during the first star presentation showed that. The guy's a natural leader with ice water in his veins.

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Ya, it always comes down to the "not too much", because I can tell you this! "Too much" seems to make them angry as hell.
I don't know why I find this so hilarious. Thanks, I needed to laugh a little.

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Luckily he doesn't seem nervous at all. Skatin around during the first star presentation showed that. The guy's a natural leader with ice water in his veins.
I was very impressed by his behavior during the 1st star moment. The way he cheered back at the crowd, and gave a thumbs up, loved it.

i'm sure he was told to not throw the pucks into the crowd full force next time tho hahah, had me laughing.

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I don't know why I find this so hilarious. Thanks, I needed to laugh a little.
Was more about the human condition. Us included

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In all fields of human endeavor there are optimal development and learning strategies.

Human beings learn better when they're challenged, but not too much.
Truth.

And the opposite is true as well imo. When something is too easy for someone, they won't develop as fast and as much as someone who is constantly being challenged.

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As an example, Kyle Turris was under relatively no pressure in Phoenix and playing in the NCAA but really struggled to improve his game. If he was brought up as an 18 year old, everyone with a half-cocked opinion would be crying in unison that the Coyotes brought him up too early and stunted his development.
Great point.

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01-23-2013, 07:50 PM
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Huhm...Turris was brought up at age 19 in 2008-09. And it did stunt his growth.

However, he was as thin as a bean pole back then...

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01-23-2013, 08:17 PM
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Huhm...Turris was brought up at age 19 in 2008-09. And it did stunt his growth.

However, he was as thin as a bean pole back then...
Tbh, I completely forgot that they brought him up that year, and you are right, he was way undersized at that point. He should've stayed in college a bit longer to bulk up during the shorter seasons.

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Decisions should be made from case to case. A smart team will evaluate a player's physcial state and their maturity/Intelligence. I'm sure you could find plenty of examples supporting both schools of thought. In the case of Galchenyuk: He's shown skill, battle, confidence and maturity and I think that will only improve since he broke the ice point wise.

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01-24-2013, 03:14 PM
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Tbh, I completely forgot that they brought him up that year, and you are right, he was way undersized at that point. He should've stayed in college a bit longer to bulk up during the shorter seasons.
Lol......I also forgot about that.

It really doesn't matter though as he was given sheltered minutes with absolutely no media/fan pressure.

Turris' problem was that he was extremely weak and needed a few years to fill out. To say that this experience stunted his growth would be asinine.

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01-24-2013, 07:41 PM
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If he's going to keep playing 2-4 minutes a period in games where we are ahead comfortably (which is the case tonight and on Tuesday), I don't know how we can keep him up. It's just not enough TOI.

Especially when you have a solid option in Eller for that #3 C slot.

Sort of hoping Desharnais gets the flu or something on Sunday so we can see Galchenyuk at C with legit top 6 wingers.

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01-24-2013, 07:43 PM
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There are flashes but those flashes come mostly on the PP.

I love watching the kid play but I think it's best if he is back to Sarnia and Eller draws back in.

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If he's going to keep playing 2-4 minutes a period in games where we are ahead comfortably (which is the case tonight and on Tuesday), I don't know how we can keep him up. It's just not enough TOI.

Especially when you have a solid option in Eller for that #3 C slot.

Sort of hoping Desharnais gets the flu or something on Sunday so we can see Galchenyuk at C with legit top 6 wingers.
Don't worry, Michel Therrien was just protecting his rookies because Adam Oates's strategy was to match Backstrom-Ovechkin to Galchenyuk's line.

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Haven't seen the game tonight, how has he been?

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Only two negatives are
1) He doesn't lay a lot of checks
2) His faceoff %.

That being said, how often do players like Kopitar and Toews lay huge checks? The fact that I see those two points as his only downsides just emphasizes (in my eyes) how good he is for a 18 year old. Most importantly, he isn't a liability defensively, which will play in his favor.

Seems to be more free with BGally & Prust. Hes doing his thing. Showed flashes of brilliance once, on the right wing, stickhandeling around 3-4 players in the neutral zone and getting the puck to BGally down the boards. I think if you keep him, his confidence will improve with time. He is more than capable of playing in the NHL as he isn't a defensive risk, and will progressively gain more offensive confidence on the puck with more gametime.

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I don't think he should look to lay bodychecks. As a young player, he should concentrate on positioning, play his game and the coaches instructions.

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He's staying.

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He's staying.
I dont see why not. I also think with the confidence has in him, he stays.

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Haven't seen the game tonight, how has he been?
12:33 of TOI. Lead the forward in PP time with 3:44.

Decent game with some great flashes. Could have had 2 points - great cross-ice pass to Bouillon on the PP, who was wide open and just flubbed it. Markov would have scored on it, IMO.

Gally also had a backhand shot right in front of Neuvirth very early on. A nice pass to Gallagher in the 3rd.

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