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01-23-2013, 08:52 PM
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We just have no idea do we.

It could be Meehan because we all know he gets commission.
Subban for obvious reasons, he is the team's best defenseman.
Bergevin for wanting to set a standard, that he's not going to get walked on.

Could be any one of those, but I agree that Meehan isn't an unfaithful businessman like that, it's not in his best interest to screw with what could potentially be a long lasting relationship with our GM its bad for business.
wrong.

the flashiest, yes, the best, no.

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I hope Carbo realize that Meehan calls out false rumours...credibility might take a hit here.

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Since when did Carbo become a journalist? Thought for sure he was only an analyst.

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Corey's wife? I'm pretty sure that's made up.

Chelios was a wild man though. Rumours of him having a bbq and getting naked, that kind of stuff. Remember, we're talking about a guy who ordered the trade of Guy Carbonneau because he flipped off a reporter.
Yep. Corey running the image conscious patriarchal organization did not take kindly to Chelios uncontrolled partying. IIRC the last straw was a report that Chelios was picked up for public urination.

Ideology can't get in the way of keeping great players. Time for a solution to keep PK.

As for the Mrs. Corey story, picture me rolling my eyes.

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Seriously? They said that?

Did Michel Bergeron and Carbonneau sneak into Meehan's house and tap his phone?
Carbo can read minds. That's why he never spoke to the players when he was the coach

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Should I add that Carbo said that EVERYBODY knew that info. As if it's well known that PK and PK only is running the show. Again....let's be careful with that.

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I don't believe that ****. Why would a player agent say that? What does he gain by revealing that information?
Why would both carbo ang gagnon lie? There has to be some truth to this.

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Omg, every one is freaking the **** out!!!!!!

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I think Philly and Detroit will go hard for Subban if he's available.

Brayden Schenn
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Should I add that Carbo said that EVERYBODY knew that info. As if it's well known that PK and PK only is running the show. Again....let's be careful with that.
If EVERYBODY knew this, why are we only hearing about it now?

I think Carbo is blowing smoke out of his ass on this one.

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wrong.

the flashiest, yes, the best, no.
Let me guess, it's Markov after one game?

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wrong.

the flashiest, yes, the best, no.
Who's better than him then?

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wrong.

the flashiest, yes, the best, no.
With a little less mustard, he would be better.

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I don't believe that ****. Why would a player agent say that? What does he gain by revealing that information?
'Cause IF true...I repeat IF true, it wouldn't be Meehan that would have leaked that....but Bergevin or his entourage.

I repeat....IF true. One good example of that will be if Subban fires Meehan in the process. If he does, we'll know how it is. Though Subban would be EXTREMELY stupid to do so now as we will all know what it means. But I'm really curious to know if Meehan will be there for his next negotiation.

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Why would both carbo ang gagnon lie? There has to be some truth to this.
Francois Gagnon has lied in the past. One case, he talked about having a tape of Kovalev saying degrading things towards Carbonneau - who was coaching at the time. When confronted and backed into a corner, like the coward that he is, Gagnon slipped it in that he never had a tape.

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So it comes down to this:

The Habs and Subban are in agreement on comparables and the money value of the contract.

The Habs want to preserve their policy of players signing a bridge contract before their full value contract.

Subban thinks his case deserves special treatment. Sounds like Subban knows what he wants.

So, does the damage caused by making an exception to policy outweigh the impact of losing Subban?
I think you have hit the nail on the head

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Guy Carbonneau and Co on the Antichambre said that Meehan suggested to PK to go with the 2 years.....and clearly PK doesn't want to. Interesting info though we need to be careful with that. If the Habs needs the fans to calm down on the PK request....the only thing to do is to leak some infos that Subban is the bad guy here.
I have a very hard time believing this.

Francois Gagnon magically comes up with an unconfirmed quote that PK apparently said, after last season, ''I'll be back next year with Doughty's contract''. This is straight out of his butt.
Also, after that, he says PK asked for 6M for 6y, give or take 500K. Unless I'm mistaken Doughty's contract = 56M. If this is PK's demand, it equates to 36M. That's 20M less than Doughty. How exactly is this the same?

To make it even funnier, this moron adds that Bergevin has more to lose from caving. Really? What exactly would he lose?? Every other RFA will just walk over Bergevin and say they deserve PK money despite being 3rd liners or 6th Dmen?? How does this make sense. This notion that Bergevin loses credibility if he caves is completely unfounded and dumb.

After that, Carbo adds that while Bergevin was in Chicago, they had the same politics. Oh really? Kane, Toews, Bolland, Hjalmarsson all signed 4-5 year deals after their ELC. Ya, they really had a strong policy of bridge contracts.

Also, these morons said PK would lose in arbitration and Meehan doesn't want to go there. Why? Because popularity doesn't matter. That stats are what matters, and by stats of course, they only mean points.
PK would rip the Habs apart in arbitration. And if Meehan told PK to take the 2year deal, PK would be playing. They are painting PK as a greedy player.

Those guys are morons, as usual. Can't expect them to bring good points.

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If EVERYBODY knew this, why are we only hearing about it now?

I think Carbo is blowing smoke out of his ass on this one.
I would add that François Gagnon agreed with Carbo but then....it would make that piece of info even less credible....

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I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all this.

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Let me guess, it's Markov after one game?
you mean after a decade (almost) of play for the Habs, right ?

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With a little less mustard, he would be better.
Agreed. TON of potential, but he isnt there yet. For all we know, he may never reach that potential (or he could get even better than what's expected)

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you mean after a decade (almost) of play for the Habs, right ?
I like Markov too, and I have been saying for a while that he was a top 5 defenseman before his injury even though many people on this very board will not believe me, but no way is he better than Subban at the moment. He missed a ton of hockey, wasn't exactly himself after coming back last year and had a pretty suspect first game. Might of just been the Panthers, but I would wait until anointing him the #1 D again.

Of course, if Subban doesn't sign this is all moot.

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Has anyone seen Stubbs interview with Subban? http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...837/story.html

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Subban wishes to be paid what he believes he’s worth to his team, on and off the ice, preferably but not necessarily linked to a long-term deal, and the Canadiens are seemingly inflexible with their plan to offer short term, a bridge or gap contract toward something more lucrative down the road, almost a policy that has been applied in the recent past with Carey Price and Max Pacioretty.
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It’s come down to this — I want to be paid what I’m worth,” Subban told me in a lengthy talk this week.
“I don’t even know what to think any more,” he said. “At this point, you have to remain optimistic (and realize) it is a business, and a lot of things can happen.

“I hope (a trade) is not the case. I want to play for the Canadiens. I want to help the team. With the young players we have in the organization right now, we still have a great opportunity to win.

“But for my style of game and for what I do for the team, the amount of minutes I play and for what I bring to the table, I have to be fairly compensated.”

“We’re not trying to rob the bank here (in contract talks). We’re not reinventing anything. We’re not holding a gun to the Canadiens’ head saying, ‘Pay us this or we’re walking away.’ We just want to be compensated for what I’m worth.”

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Has anyone seen Stubbs interview with Subban? http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...837/story.html
Thanks for the read and it makes sense. Just pay him Bergie, he's got you good.

I honestly think that PK is holding all the cards here. If he walks we are losers no matter what.

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Considering that MB has been doing his best to drive the value of his asset down. Chances are he won't get fair value in a trade.

Considering MB thinks PK is only worth 3M, his capacity to evaluate talent is put in question here. So maybe he would be willing to trade Subban for say a MDZ or some other guy who isn't on Subban's level.

Basically... if Subban is traded forget about equal or better value.
Exactly how has he driven the value of his asset down?

There is a big difference between evaluating talent and offering a fair value for that talent. Bergevin clearly knows what kind of a talent he has here... but the fact is Subban has no leverage unless someone gives him an offer sheet.

What is funny is that so many posters cry about the ridiculous contracts that are handed out but as soon as there is a stalemate in negotiations with one of our players, they want him to cave in.

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