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01-23-2013, 08:13 PM
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The ONLY reason they're trading Subban is because Subban is trying to rob them blind.

So we're going to give them Voracek so that Subban can rob us blind?

Come on...
I believe we might hold negotiations in a different manner than the Canadians. They have signed their big RFA's recently to 2 year bridge contracts, while Subban wants more and will not budge. Both teams are at a standstill, and I don't think Subban will be robbing us blindly. He would be a much welcomed asset on this team, and the Flyers aren't afraid of paying players they feel deserve it.

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01-23-2013, 08:19 PM
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We don't have much to trade.

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01-23-2013, 08:20 PM
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I believe we might hold negotiations in a different manner than the Canadians. They have signed their big RFA's recently to 2 year bridge contracts, while Subban wants more and will not budge. Both teams are at a standstill, and I don't think Subban will be robbing us blindly. He would be a much welcomed asset on this team, and the Flyers aren't afraid of paying players they feel deserve it.
I'd give Subban a 6m/year cap hit knowing that it's overpayment.

But what I'm saying is that I'm not overpaying Montreal just to overpay Subban too.

We already know that they don't feel Subban is worth it. Why should we?

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01-23-2013, 08:26 PM
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Hasn't montreal been rumored to be offering between 2 and 3 million per year for 2 years?

If I was subban and that was true, I'd laugh in their face and hold out too.

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01-23-2013, 08:37 PM
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A Montreal fan on the main board suggested:

Voracek + Meszaros + Read
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Subban + Eller + pick
If that pick is no lower than a third this year, I would probably take that deal. Subban is a bit of a head case no doubt, but defensemen of that caliber typically aren't available and anybody the flyers draft would take years to get here. Read and Mezzaros are only signed for next year, so the Flyers could be losing them for nothing in a years time anyway.

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01-23-2013, 08:38 PM
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Even with the current contract issues I doubt they trade Subban.

edit- Never mind I didn't see that Bob Mckenzie said it might happen.

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01-23-2013, 09:04 PM
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If we are gonna trade what it would take to get PK, then I would rather just sweeten the deal a bit more and go for that first line winger.

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01-23-2013, 09:21 PM
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If we are gonna trade what it would take to get PK, then I would rather just sweeten the deal a bit more and go for that first line winger.
I'll take the 23 year old future first pairing d-man... We need D, not O.

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01-23-2013, 09:25 PM
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I'll take the 23 year old future first pairing d-man... We need D, not O.
You sure about that? Looks to me like we need both.

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You sure about that? Looks to me like we need both.
There aren't going to be any first pairing defenseman that will hit unrestricted free agency. Two high end forwards will be available in July to the highest bidder., Perry and Getzlaf.

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01-23-2013, 09:31 PM
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You sure about that? Looks to me like we need both.
Fleury; 26 saves on 27 shots, 96.3 SV%.
Miller; 27 saves on 29 shots, 93.1 SV%.
Brodeur; 24 saves on 24 shots, 100 SV%.

Total; 80 saves on 83 shots, 96.4 SV%.*

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we just hit 3 goalies playing pretty well there. Plus, for the offense to succeed in Laviolettes system, you need a D-man who has great ice presence, knows where to make the outlet passes and how far to move up the ice, when to pinch... Lavi's system pretty much requires a few good offensive d-men.



*3 games is an absolutely sh***y sample size.

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01-23-2013, 09:43 PM
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I'd do Voracek+Meszaros+Read
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Subban+Eller+3rd

But then our wings go from weak to dreadful...

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01-23-2013, 09:48 PM
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Fleury; 26 saves on 27 shots, 96.3 SV%.
Miller; 27 saves on 29 shots, 93.1 SV%.
Brodeur; 24 saves on 24 shots, 100 SV%.

Total; 80 saves on 83 shots, 96.4 SV%.*

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we just hit 3 goalies playing pretty well there. Plus, for the offense to succeed in Laviolettes system, you need a D-man who has great ice presence, knows where to make the outlet passes and how far to move up the ice, when to pinch... Lavi's system pretty much requires a few good offensive d-men.



*3 games is an absolutely sh***y sample size.
I'm not really talking about the games this season, more the absolute barren wasteland called our wing position.

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01-23-2013, 09:52 PM
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There aren't going to be any first pairing defenseman that will hit unrestricted free agency. Two high end forwards will be available in July to the highest bidder., Perry and Getzlaf.
Yes, but keep in mind the Flyers have to first acquire Subban, and then overpay him. This seems like a very stupid idea to me.

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01-23-2013, 10:00 PM
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Yes, but keep in mind the Flyers have to first acquire Subban, and then overpay him. This seems like a very stupid idea to me.
We're all waiting with bated breath to hear whatever idea you have that is better.

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01-23-2013, 10:00 PM
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Yes, but keep in mind the Flyers have to first acquire Subban, and then overpay him. This seems like a very stupid idea to me.
How else do you propose we get a #1 defenseman? What are this teams 2 biggest needs? A #1 defenseman and a #1 scoring winger. What do we have a better chance of drafting with our likely draft position? A winger. What is easier to obtain in FA? A winger. It's a lot to give up for a guy who's going to cost a lot I get signed, but Subban can be the #1 we need and he is young and can fit into our core of players. This may be one of the only shots we get at a #1 defenseman for a while.

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01-23-2013, 10:02 PM
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We're all waiting with bated breath to hear whatever idea you have that is better.
Uh, draft better would be nice.

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01-23-2013, 10:10 PM
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Uh, draft better would be nice.
uhhh.... are you suggesting the Flyers haven't drafted well for the past decade?

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01-23-2013, 10:11 PM
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Uh, draft better would be nice.
That doesn't fix anything right now, and we all know the Flyers are a now team, not a later team. Plus, have you seen the drafting over the past decade? Arguably amongst the best in the NHL.

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01-23-2013, 10:18 PM
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uhhh.... are you suggesting the Flyers haven't drafted well for the past decade?
Outside of the top end talent, we really haven't.

We draft forwards well and that's about it.

We can't draft or develop defensemen or goaltenders at all and thus we end up trading away drafted players/picks or signing FAs to get defensemen. And we almost always overpay.

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01-23-2013, 10:23 PM
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I'd love if we could trade for Subban and the grab Neidereitter.

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01-23-2013, 10:23 PM
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How else do you propose we get a #1 defenseman? What are this teams 2 biggest needs? A #1 defenseman and a #1 scoring winger. What do we have a better chance of drafting with our likely draft position? A winger. What is easier to obtain in FA? A winger. It's a lot to give up for a guy who's going to cost a lot I get signed, but Subban can be the #1 we need and he is young and can fit into our core of players. This may be one of the only shots we get at a #1 defenseman for a while.
agreed. fleece the Habs for the 2013 versions of Desjardins and Leclair (they can keep Gilber Dionne). Hartnell can be Recchi and Subban can be Desjardins. Only problem is the Habs sure as hell don't have a young John Leclair

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offer them Mark Recchi

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01-23-2013, 10:24 PM
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Outside of the top end talent, we really haven't.

We draft forwards well and that's about it.

We can't draft or develop defensemen or goaltenders at all and thus we end up trading away drafted players/picks or signing FAs to get defensemen. And we almost always overpay.
Yea, that's the root of the issue here. And as for right now, I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's overpaying in two areas (trade and contract) for a headcase with talent.

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01-23-2013, 10:26 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I would be ecstatic to get PK Subban... but I would rather try and upgrade from Voracek to Bobby Ryan.

But fair point on the question of how do we obtain that top pair D. It's either via trade or via Seth Jones. When you put it like that, we should continue to kick tires on Subban.

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