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01-23-2013, 11:50 PM
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Don't congratulate yourself too much, this saga has repeated itself so many times over the course of almost 4 years now, of course its going to be predictable. The only wild card now is if the new mayor or the guy who got Clark's seat flips from what they said in the election and supports an extension of the AMF. In which case it will go longer.

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01-23-2013, 11:51 PM
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Well I'm 2 for 2 now.....

What shall I parlay my next call with??? Be nice if Powerball was a predictable as this board. Think of all those $4 tickets I could buy??????


Oh.... BTW.... for all the Jamison stalkers in the crowd. You can stop worrying/drooling/salivating or whatever generates endorphins for you..... he is in the building tonight.

Anthony LeBlanc was in attendance for the Blackhawks game Sunday.
Tony Leblanc, the titular head of the auspicious Ice Clown Group! I`ll bet old gramps is out really pounding the flesh with the patrons inspiring them with his stories of untold wealth and Coyote future ideology!

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01-23-2013, 11:54 PM
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If they show the whole end of an arena and no one is sitting there it's empty, pretty tough to sugar coat that.
What's the chances that everyone went to the concessions and washrooms at the same time in mid-period?

How many more power balls before the 31st? Seems like GJ's last hope.

Despite this the crowd tonight has no bearing on the sale. The crowds and ticket prices for the past 16 years do.

I am starting to smell roadkill but I have been very wrong before.

Perhaps the NHL props up GJ with some money.

OT - Interseting to see Jim Treliving at the Caps game last night.

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http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary...ame_id=1010452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumberl...y_Civic_Center

Portland's last home game 6,944 which was apparently standing room only as capacity is only 6,733.

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01-24-2013, 12:05 AM
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http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary...ame_id=1010452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumberl...y_Civic_Center

Portland's last home game 6,944 which was apparently standing room only as capacity is only 6,733.
Maybe Portland and Phoenix should trade teams (and leagues of course)

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01-24-2013, 12:16 AM
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Maybe Portland and Phoenix should trade teams (and leagues of course)
Portland's playing six games out of market, so to speak, yes, the CCCC is 6733, but is as old as XL Center, in Hartford, so the average attendance is skewed bc of those 6.

4-1 Coyotes as Sullivan has a HT

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Portland's playing six games out of market, so to speak, yes, the CCCC is 6733, but is as old as XL Center, in Hartford, so the average attendance is skewed bc of those 6.

4-1 Coyotes as Sullivan has a HT
That game was at the CCCC.

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Tony Leblanc, the titular head of the auspicious Ice Clown Group! I`ll bet old gramps is out really pounding the flesh with the patrons inspiring them with his stories of untold wealth and Coyote future ideology!
Careful..... you're starting to sound like someone who is withholding some deep deep grudge.

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Maybe Portland and Phoenix should trade teams (and leagues of course)
Nope.... announced attendance tonight was around 8,500. Portland would need a bigger barn.


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Now to be fair, it's against Columbus (no offense Blue Jackets fans) on a week night. The attendance is terrible but I didn't expect any more than 8000 people tonight (and no more than 10K inflated attendance figure). I'M more curious about how much they'll draw vs Los Angeles, a division, cup-winning rival, playing against their conference-winning team, on a weekend night.

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01-24-2013, 12:59 AM
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Nope.... announced attendance tonight was around 8,500. Portland would need a bigger barn.

8,355 per nhl.com...
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...3/GS020039.HTM

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01-24-2013, 01:08 AM
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Yikes.... not making a compelling argument that they're worth saving....

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That's somewhat disappointing. I think Jobing.com's drawn worse, but that aint pretty.

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Yikes.... not making a compelling argument that they're worth saving....
Actually an increase compared to similar situations of recent seasons past. 6500-7000 hasn't been uncommon early in the year during weekday games. Before the ownership fiasco, the Coyotes could draw 11k+ on weekdays, even against bad teams. I know that doesn't fit in with the whole "hur durr phoenix a bad market" vibe here, but it shows the importance of having an actual owner. Hard to expect businesses and corporations to renew agreements when they could be moved at any time.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020266.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020326.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020359.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020374.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020419.HTM

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10/25 Dallas - 6,948 (Tuesday)
11/3 Nashville - 6,738 (Thursday)
1/24 Ottawa - 8,061 (Tuesday)

10-11

10/21 L.A. - 6,706 (Thursday)
11/3 Nashville - 6,761 (Wednesday)

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Actually an increase compared to similar situations of recent seasons past. 6500-7000 hasn't been uncommon early in the year during weekday games. Before the ownership fiasco, the Coyotes could draw 11k+ on weekdays, even against bad teams. I know that doesn't fit in with the whole "hur durr phoenix a bad market" vibe here, but it shows the importance of having an actual owner. Hard to expect businesses and corporations to renew agreements when they could be moved at any time.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020266.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020326.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020359.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020374.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020419.HTM

Yeah but look at the dates, everyone said attendance picks up after Christmas for the Coyotes, kinda shoots that argument all to hell unless of course they use a different calendar.


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Actually an increase compared to similar situations of recent seasons past. 6500-7000 hasn't been uncommon early in the year during weekday games. Before the ownership fiasco, the Coyotes could draw 11k+ on weekdays, even against bad teams. I know that doesn't fit in with the whole "hur durr phoenix a bad market" vibe here, but it shows the importance of having an actual owner. Hard to expect businesses and corporations to renew agreements when they could be moved at any time.
The Coyotes are owner-less because Moyse and those that preceded him lost tens of millions annually. So it seems that perhaps the lack of attendance in Phoenix might just be demonstrative of something other than the lacking of an owner, but rather, perhaps demonstrates the lacking of a hockey market - one able to fund an NHL team at the level required to attract and retain an owner.

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Yes, because the lingering doubt that the team might not even be here anymore is really going to bring people to the games.

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The Coyotes are owner-less because Moyse and those that preceded him lost tens of millions annually. So it seems that perhaps the lack of attendance in Phoenix might just be demonstrative of something other than lacking an owner, but rather, perhaps conversely lies in the lacking of a hockey market - one able to fund an NHL team at the level required to attract an owner.
And what were they spending? And what were their outside of hockey plans? That is something that GJ said he would bring. He would be focused on other events at Jobing.com that would increase revenue for his group as well as the city of Glendale.

There is more to look at than just the hockey team.

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The theory that attendance is poor because of the lack of an owner ignores the team's financial history when they had one. It is equally as ugly.

Fail.

Good evening gents. Off to bed now.

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Actually an increase compared to similar situations of recent seasons past. 6500-7000 hasn't been uncommon early in the year during weekday games. Before the ownership fiasco, the Coyotes could draw 11k+ on weekdays, even against bad teams. I know that doesn't fit in with the whole "hur durr phoenix a bad market" vibe here, but it shows the importance of having an actual owner. Hard to expect businesses and corporations to renew agreements when they could be moved at any time.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020266.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020326.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020359.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020374.HTM
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020419.HTM
Speaking of hurr durr, it's hard to expect a wealthy investor, or in the case of Jamieson, a wannabee wealthy investor, to have any desire to invest in a team when said team cannot draw 10,000 people to a game(and at rock bottom prices) even after appearing in the conference finals less than 1 year ago.

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Speaking of hurr durr, it's hard to expect a wealthy investor, or in the case of Jamieson, a wannabee wealthy investor, to have any desire to invest in a team when said team cannot draw 10,000 people to a game(and at rock bottom prices) even after appearing in the conference finals less than 1 year ago.
What is rock bottom prices to you? It was an 8pm start in AZ, where most of the money has to drive 1 hour+ to get to the game. Get real.

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If the reported attendance tonight is anything more than 5,000 we will know that they are cookin the books! Shout out to GJ`s supposed investors, taker a long look at the empty seats tonight and then calculate how little good $308MM over 20 years is going to help you. Lets see 5000 a night at $36 ATP might fund an AHL team but certainly not an NHL team. GJ`s absence at the opener and now this, turn out the lights Glendale, it will save you more money than you know!
Cooking the books? In Glendale? Come on now. The Coyotes learn from the best: Beasley's Institute of Culinary Bookkeeping. Some numbers you want to simmer, some you'd want to boil, and some you just want to deep fry. With attendance like this, deep frying is probably best. And sometimes you'd want to smoke it. Makes for a handy smokescreen to cover a hasty exit from the city.

So Jamison showed up... to their 2nd (or 3rd?) home game. Talk about a day late and a dollar short. How many no-names here know more about optics than old Jamison? He couldn't get a ticket to the home opener? Come on. They had more than enough openings, or did the home opening prices price him out of the game? How much did his seat cost here? Did he splurge, using a Jackson, or perhaps *gasp*, even a Grant?

Does anyone think Jan 31st goes by and sometime later in the year, Jamison finally announces he has the investors, but he's failed to notice the team was relocated to Iqaluit or perhaps Jamaica (with their bobsled team, maybe they would be in the cool running for a hockey franchise?)? It would be like a hockey-themed Twilight Zone episode. Then Jamison learns cooking the books was misinterpreted and he's on the menu... oh, and he's on a parallel Earth, having arrived on a plane that never existed with an imaginary gremlin pulling at its wing and a howling man taking up the bathroom, and there's a brontosaurus where the NHL's headquarters should be (hey, it's a parallel Earth. Brontosauruses never existed here, but they may there . We were left with some lousy apatosauruses)

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The Coyotes are owner-less because Moyse and those that preceded him lost tens of millions annually. So it seems that perhaps the lack of attendance in Phoenix might just be demonstrative of something other than the lacking of an owner, but rather, perhaps demonstrates the lacking of a hockey market - one able to fund an NHL team at the level required to attract and retain an owner.
C'mon Gump.... there's a lot more to the equation than that and we've all spent the last 3-4 years haggling over it.

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Cooking the books? In Glendale? Come on now. The Coyotes learn from the best: Beasley's Institute of Culinary Bookkeeping. Some numbers you want to simmer, some you'd want to boil, and some you just want to deep fry. With attendance like this, deep frying is probably best. And sometimes you'd want to smoke it. Makes for a handy smokescreen to cover a hasty exit from the city.

So Jamison showed up... to their 2nd (or 3rd?) home game. Talk about a day late and a dollar short. How many no-names here know more about optics than old Jamison? He couldn't get a ticket to the home opener? Come on. They had more than enough openings, or did the home opening prices price him out of the game? How much did his seat cost here? Did he splurge, using a Jackson, or perhaps *gasp*, even a Grant?

Does anyone think Jan 31st goes by and sometime later in the year, Jamison finally announces he has the investors, but he's failed to notice the team was relocated to Iqaluit or perhaps Jamaica (with their bobsled team, maybe they would be in the cool running for a hockey franchise?)? It would be like a hockey-themed Twilight Zone episode. Then Jamison learns cooking the books was misinterpreted and he's on the menu... oh, and he's on a parallel Earth, having arrived on a plane that never existed with an imaginary gremlin pulling at its wing and a howling man taking up the bathroom, and there's a brontosaurus where the NHL's headquarters should be (hey, it's a parallel Earth. Brontosauruses never existed here, but they may there . We were left with some lousy apatosauruses)
We were addressing attendance numbers. What does Glendale have to do with that?

Just more useless rhetoric.

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Speaking of hurr durr, it's hard to expect a wealthy investor, or in the case of Jamieson, a wannabee wealthy investor, to have any desire to invest in a team when said team cannot draw 10,000 people to a game(and at rock bottom prices) even after appearing in the conference finals less than 1 year ago.
Better start whining about plenty of other teams, because the Coyotes are not the only ones with cheap tickets

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