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01-24-2013, 12:07 AM
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all that cause he isnt giving the new golden boy, the savior, the future multiple norris winner what he wants ?
PK has said that he wants reasonable amount of money and there is no reason to think he is lying. I think it's our GM and his stupid fixation on bridge contract that cause the problem.

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01-24-2013, 12:08 AM
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I wonder how many people supported the NHL in the lockout and support Subban. I doubt very many.

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I beleive what PK said in the interview. If the offer is around 5M per year for multiple years, I think a deal has been in place already. MB's offer must be way below 5M. Again, I have no info to support this, I trusted what PK has said and there is no reason to doubt what he said.
The problem is not "trusting" what he said, it's thinking that you know what he feels he's worth.
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Maybe you should make a list of the other 30 #1 in this league. You'll find that you're assessment is off.
I don't have to do that, you've watched enough hockey to know for your damn-self that PK can not be considered a "great" nor even a "legit" #1 defenseman at this point. Whether or not you choose to accept that, is on you.

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I think some are banking on Beaulieu to replace him, but despite being a higher draft pick, Beaulieu isn't developing as fast as Subban.
The year after Subban was drafted, he was back in Belleville. Beaulieu is in the AHL already and has shown flashes of brilliance. Let's see how he looks next year for the Bulldogs and we'll have a better idea of how his development is going, as compared to PK.

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01-24-2013, 12:11 AM
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He's not being selfish, this is nonsense. This is a contract negotiation and unfortunately they haven't come to terms. Would it be selfish if the team offered him 2 bucks a game? No right? Why... because they aren't paying him what he's worth.

What he's worth is up for debate but that's where the negotiations come in. Saying he's selfish when you admittedly "do not know the money" is speaking from a position of ignorance.

Maybe PK actually IS asking for too much cash but it could easily be the other way around. You can't blame the guy for holding out for what he thinks he's worth. This is part of the game.
I do not know the dollar amounts being negotiated.

All I know is that PK Subban was not in a Habs uniform for the last two games.

There are numerous examples given on this thread and the previous thread where a player compromised and settled in order to play to help the team.

None of that going on around here with PK.

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01-24-2013, 12:12 AM
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that you do not know.
Well, in absolute terms, no. However, that is his stated goal. Apparently the habs have not objected to any of the comparables he has listed in his pursuit of this fair deal. So at this point, you're really assuming against PK's character that he's trying to be unfairly compensated.

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01-24-2013, 12:13 AM
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This must be the most active thread on the boards. No doubting fans love their PK.

I am going to bet the "we want PK" chant is coming soon to a powerplay near you.

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I do not know the dollar amounts being negotiated.

All I know is that PK Subban was not in a Habs uniform for the last two games.

There are numerous examples given on this thread and the previous thread where a player compromised and settled in order to play to help the team.


None of that going on around here with PK.
So if MB offer him $1, he has to settle for $1 and 10 cents so that he can help his team. If my team does not show me any respect and low balling me, I have to accept the low ball offer?

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01-24-2013, 12:16 AM
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It baffles me that people are taking strong opinions against MB or PK. Nobody knows what the hell is going on here. It's fine to offer up what we think he's worth but to harshly criticize these guys when we don't know what's going on doesn't make any sense to me.
This I agree with.

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Wrong. 2013 is the year Marc Bergevin starts to destroy my beloved Habs. He will follow the footsteps of countless incompetent GMs such as Houles, Gainey, etc.
You just come off like one of those pro-PA guys because you love your favourite player more than the team.

My loyalty is towards the Blue Blanc Rouge not some greedy dude who puts himself over anything else.

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01-24-2013, 12:17 AM
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I do not know the dollar amounts being negotiated.

All I know is that PK Subban was not in a Habs uniform for the last two games.
That's right. You don't know the reasoning behind it. You don't know the numbers or the discussions that have taken place.
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There are numerous examples given on this thread and the previous thread where a player compromised and settled in order to play to help the team.
Great. Maybe it made sense for both parties to do so in those cases.

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None of that going on around here with PK.
You have no idea what is going on with PK. You don't know the numbers, the term, the negotiations... you are talking out of your ass. Sitting there calling him selfish doesn't make any sense when you don't know the context of the conversations. Same goes for those trashing MB btw.

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01-24-2013, 12:18 AM
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thats what happens when u put ones ability to speak french before job ability.what did we have like 4 gm 's to choose from?this is the result.same movie over and over and over..................
Oh plz get the f out of here.

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01-24-2013, 12:18 AM
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2013: The year Marc Beregevin became bigger than the Habs.

See, I can make ridiculous statements too
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TO openly criticized his teammates to the media, blamed losses on his teammates not giving him the ball enough, and celebrated touchdowns with over the top celebrations without involving teammates.

Please tell me what Subban has done that remotely approaches this.
difference being, no one tries to make MB look like a god or something...

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01-24-2013, 12:19 AM
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This must be the most active thread on the boards. No doubting fans love their PK.

I am going to bet the "we want PK" chant is coming soon to a powerplay near you.
Our power play will live as long as Markov is healthy.

"We want PK" on even strength and the PK though, and badly. Seeing Boullion play PK makes my eyes bleed.

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You just come off like one of those pro-PA guys because you love your favourite player more than the team.

My loyalty is towards the Blue Blanc Rouge not some greedy dude who puts himself over anything else.
Loyalty does not come into it you philistine. Rationality, and facts should come into it. If not, you are admitting to being not in the least bit objective.

If you're fine with that, then that's cool: but I don't see a reason for why one would be.

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Once again, by default. I'm talking about a top offense and top defense. PK does not make everyone around him better. Let me see him get guys like Souray, Streit and Komisarek huge deals on the open market, then we can talk about #1.



Karlsson is obviously not going to be known for his 5-on-5 ratios. He's an elite offensive, powerplay defenceman. There is no comparison there.

You should realize that PK Subban is not ready to be the #1 defenceman on a top team, because that is the truth.
How about Desharnais being +22 with Subban and a minus player without him? Or Pacioretty and Cole's offense doubling with him compared to without him.

Gill became a top pairing D with Subban.

Souray scored 20 in Edmonton. It wasn't all Markov. Street was a solid QB in NYI and ended up totally worth his contract. What you are referring to, that they were just Markov, didn't happen. These were talented players who did well with another talented player.

Look it up. Karlssson won a Norris on his ES offense, leading the league there by 16. His PP work was great but didn't win him a Norris. Campbell had more points there, Suter and Pietroangelo and Street weren't far behind.

If you don't like Karlsson, Mtl, first pair also beat Weber, Keith, and Pietroangelo.

Now they were lucky to do this and they probably won't do as well next time, but my point was to show how it wasn't Subban's pair's fault they were in last in the East. It was the other guys. Montreal's top pair was first class last year.

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01-24-2013, 12:21 AM
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Well, in absolute terms, no. However, that is his stated goal. Apparently the habs have not objected to any of the comparables he has listed in his pursuit of this fair deal. So at this point, you're really assuming against PK's character that he's trying to be unfairly compensated.
Nope, I just said you dont know.

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You just come off like one of those pro-PA guys because you love your favourite player more than the team.

My loyalty is towards the Blue Blanc Rouge not some greedy dude who puts himself over anything else.
Wrong. I think our team is worst off without PK. I did not like Roy reaction when he asked for the trade. But did I blame him. No. The coach left him in the net after 6/7 goals. It was Tremblay who caused all the trouble. In PK case, the fault may be with MB and not PK.

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Our power play will live as long as Markov is healthy.

"We want PK" on even strength and the PK though, and badly. Seeing Boullion play PK makes my eyes bleed.
We've bet on Markov being healthy for the past three years and gotten burned. At some point you have to realize that Lucy just might pull the football away.

We can't plan for him being healthy. We have to plan for him being hurt. Play him while we can and if does well... great, bonus.

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I wonder how many people supported the NHL in the lockout and support Subban. I doubt very many.
I Supported the NHL and I support Subban as well.

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So if MB offer him $1, he has to settle for $1 and 10 cents so that he can help his team. If my team does not show me any respect and low balling me, I have to accept the low ball offer?
Stop with the strawman arguments please.

You have absolutely no proof that he was low balled.

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01-24-2013, 12:26 AM
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You just come off like one of those pro-PA guys because you love your favourite player more than the team.

My loyalty is towards the Blue Blanc Rouge not some greedy dude who puts himself over anything else.
This has to stop. Wanting to be fairly compensated is not greed. Good grief.

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01-24-2013, 12:27 AM
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How about Desharnais being +22 with Subban and a minus player without him? Or Pacioretty and Cole's offense doubling with him compared to without him.

Gill became a top pairing D with Subban
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Souray scored 20 in Edmonton. It wasn't all Markov. Street was a solid QB in NYI and ended up totally worth his contract. What you are referring to, that they were just Markov, didn't happen. These were talented players who did well with another talented player.

Look it up. Karlssson won a Norris on his ES offense, leading the league there by 16. His PP work was great but didn't win him a Norris. Campbell had more points there, Suter and Pietroangelo and Street weren't far behind.

If you don't like Karlsson, Mtl, first pair also beat Weber, Keith, and Pietroangelo.

Now they were lucky to do this and they probably won't do as well next time, but my point was to show how it wasn't Subban's pair's fault they were in last in the East. It was the other guys. Montreal's top pair was first class last year.
there's case where stats are pretty much useless, so to speak, and this is one example you're providing : considering the kid was playing close to 25 minutes a game, and as you stated makes most if not all teammates better (production) one has to wonder how the **** did we end up 15th in the east ?

simply put, NO, even Bobby Orr wouldnt turn Gill into a 1st pair D.

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This has to stop. Wanting to be fairly compensated is not greed. Good grief.
describe fair.

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Stop with the strawman arguments please.

You have absolutely no proof that he was low balled.
Same to you. You blame solely PK for not being with the team. What about MB's role in all of this. Why only blame PK as an egoist player without any blame on MB who may be guilty of being inflexible GM?

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2013 : the year P.K. Subban became bigger than the Habs.
How does wanting to be fairly compensated put him ahead of the Habs? Have any of you negotiated anything before?

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