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01-23-2013, 11:29 PM
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How does wanting to be fairly compensated put him ahead of the Habs? Have any of you negotiated anything before?
fairly, how do you know that ?

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describe fair.
fair = to be paid as a top pairing dman who has been the go to go in every situation over the last 2 years. To make what his peers make. To have a similar contract that his teammate Max has after playing the same amount of games. That's what I call fair.

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01-23-2013, 11:31 PM
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fairly, how do you know that ?
I know as much as you do...yet you think PK is putting himself ahead of the team.

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there's case where stats are pretty much useless, so to speak, and this is one example you're providing : considering the kid was playing close to 25 minutes a game, and as you stated makes most if not all teammates better (production) one has to wonder how the **** did we end up 15th in the east ?

simply put, NO, even Bobby Orr wouldnt turn Gill into a 1st pair D.
Again, blame it on Subban. You talk about team concept and yet you put the full responsibilty on the shoulder of PK. Even Bobby Orr could not help last year team.

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01-23-2013, 11:33 PM
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fair = to be paid as a top pairing dman who has been the go to go in every situation over the last 2 years. To make what his peers make. To have a similar contract that his teammate Max has after playing the same amount of games. That's what I call fair.
and can you tell me that's what HE calls fair ?

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01-23-2013, 11:33 PM
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Again, blame it on Subban. You talk about team concept and yet you put the full responsibilty on the shoulder of PK. Even Bobby Orr could not help last year team.
read again.

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Loyalty does not come into it you philistine. Rationality, and facts should come into it. If not, you are admitting to being not in the least bit objective.

If you're fine with that, then that's cool: but I don't see a reason for why one would be.
Ever wonder why a team with Terrell Owens on it never won the Super Bowl?

Superstar player with loads of talent and money.

Only thing missing from TO was loyalty and the ability to play for the team instead of himself.

Like I always said, if I'm one of the top players in the game, pay me like I'm one of the top players in the game. Terrell Owens

Its come down to this I want to be paid what Im worth. PK Subban

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I know as much as you do...yet you think PK is putting himself ahead of the team.
he may not, fans are though.

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there's case where stats are pretty much useless, so to speak, and this is one example you're providing : considering the kid was playing close to 25 minutes a game, and as you stated makes most if not all teammates better (production) one has to wonder how the **** did we end up 15th in the east ?

simply put, NO, even Bobby Orr wouldnt turn Gill into a 1st pair D.

Talk to Goalposts already explained it - the majority of the Habs meltdowns last year happened while PK Subban was not on the ice. Subban can't make anyone else better when he's not on the ice, and he can't play for an entire game.

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So if PK Subban was haitian and grew up in quebec, would Bergevin trade him?

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Nope, I just said you dont know.
So would you say that:

a.) Subban is putting himself ahead of the team?

b.) Subban is acting as a rational human being, and is not really at any fault?

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Ever wonder why a team with Terrell Owens on it never won the Super Bowl?

Superstar player with loads of talent and money.

Only thing missing from TO was loyalty and the ability to play for the team instead of himself.

Like I always said, if I'm one of the top players in the game, pay me like I'm one of the top players in the game. Terrell Owens

Its come down to this I want to be paid what Im worth. PK Subban
Did Subban ever go to the media and tell them his teammates suck and that they lost because he didn't get the puck more?

No, he didn't?

In fact the only things Subban and TO have in common is that they are black athletes.

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there's case where stats are pretty much useless, so to speak, and this is one example you're providing : considering the kid was playing close to 25 minutes a game, and as you stated makes most if not all teammates better (production) one has to wonder how the **** did we end up 15th in the east ?

simply put, NO, even Bobby Orr wouldnt turn Gill into a 1st pair D.
The defensemen who were not on the first pair sucked. 2nd pair was about -20, 3rd also bad. This shouldn't be a difficult concept. Yet is for some reason. The rocket Richard winner can play for the lottery and yet people marvel that a 15 the squad can have a good 1st pair. Its too much work for you people to look things up or try to figure out what actually happened so you just argue from incredulity.

And I just imagined Gill playing the heaviest minutes and holding his own against the Bruins with some kid beside him. That obviously never happened.

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he may not, fans are though.
Fans? you mean those sheeps following the unfounded opinions of the media?

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Ever wonder why a team with Terrell Owens on it never won the Super Bowl?

Superstar player with loads of talent and money.

Only thing missing from TO was loyalty and the ability to play for the team instead of himself.

“Like I always said, if I'm one of the top players in the game, pay me like I'm one of the top players in the game.” Terrell Owens
Tons of jackasses have won championships. TO wasn't one of them. So what? Bringing TO into this conversation is really grasping at straws and smells of desperation. What I don't understand is why you're so desperate to slag PK.

Again, you keep talking out of your ass here. You don't know what's going on at all and you have no basis to say that what he's doing is selfish because for all you know they're offering him the minimum.
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“It’s come down to this — I want to be paid what I’m worth.” PK Subban
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Sorry if it was posted already, but according to Guy Carbonneau, Don Meehan told Subban to accept the two year deal. He still refused it.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/355208.html

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he may not, fans are though.
Sorry, it may be for fan like you. Not me. If Price is worth 6.5M for 6 years, PK is within his right to ask for slightly less money.

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Talk to Goalposts already explained it - the majority of the Habs meltdowns last year happened while PK Subban was not on the ice. Subban can't make anyone else better when he's not on the ice, and he can't play for an entire game.
come on now...

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Hahahahaha! Best one yet! Have you ever watched him play? Did you just look at his frame and assume he was physical? Go ask even Sabres fan what they think about Myers physical play, they certainly won't tell you how great it is.
You wouldnt want Tyler Myers on the Habs?
Ignoring how you jumped to that notion from that comment, would you want Myers on the Habs if he made 6M/year instead of 5.5M?

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How about Desharnais being +22 with Subban and a minus player without him? Or Pacioretty and Cole's offense doubling with him compared to without him.
Might tell you that the rest of our defense sucked, or that the other guys that played with desharnais sucked, or that it wasn't a big enough sample size. I don't know, but I don't care. I don't have to look at those numbers to re-affirm what I see on the ice.

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Gill became a top pairing D with Subban.
By default.

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Souray scored 20 in Edmonton. It wasn't all Markov. Street was a solid QB in NYI and ended up totally worth his contract. What you are referring to, that they were just Markov, didn't happen. These were talented players who did well with another talented player.
Markov made each and everyone of those guys hit a level they never had before or after.

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Look it up. Karlssson won a Norris on his ES offense, leading the league there by 16. His PP work was great but didn't win him a Norris. Campbell had more points there, Suter and Pietroangelo and Street weren't far behind.
My point was that whatever Sabrestat he was using to say "PK beat Karlsson" was irrelevant. Karlsson is not going to be judged on his defensive efficiency when he is out scoring elite forwards, 5-on-5 and PP.

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If you don't like Karlsson, Mtl, first pair also beat Weber, Keith, and Pietroangelo.
What does that tell you about whatever means it is that you are using to grade a player?

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Now they were lucky to do this and they probably won't do as well next time, but my point was to show how it wasn't Subban's pair's fault they were in last in the East. It was the other guys. Montreal's top pair was first class last year.
I never said it was their fault. They just wouldn't be the top pairing on a contending team, unless the "second pairing" had Markov on it.

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come on now...
I watched every single Habs' games last year. One thing I know is that the opposition did not score much when PK is on the ice ES.

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Ever wonder why a team with Terrell Owens on it never won the Super Bowl?

Superstar player with loads of talent and money.

Only thing missing from TO was loyalty and the ability to play for the team instead of himself.

Like I always said, if I'm one of the top players in the game, pay me like I'm one of the top players in the game. Terrell Owens

Its come down to this I want to be paid what Im worth. PK Subban
This is such garbage.

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Sorry if it was posted already, but according to Guy Carbonneau, Don Meehan told Subban to accept the two year deal. He still refused it.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/355208.html
Guy Carbonneau said all kinds of **** tonight.

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Sorry if it was posted already, but according to Guy Carbonneau, Don Meehan told Subban to accept the two year deal. He still refused it.

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/355208.html
Meehan goona meet with Mark later this week.....

i think PK back for home game vs Jets on 29 th Jan or sooner(Nj Devils).

end is near...


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PK starting to remind me of Terrell Owens, great talent but seems to rub ppl the wrong way.
Honestly, would you have made that connection if PK was white?

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