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01-23-2013, 05:47 PM
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It's hard to trade Kaberle if:

- Subban is in Toronto
- Bergevin thinks we can make the playoffs.
It is that kind of archaic thinking that will keep us in the bottom half of the league. At this point Kaberle is our #6 defenseman at best. If your goal is to be an 8th place team or worse, don't think about trading Kaberle but if your goal is to build a solid contender then entertain offers

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01-23-2013, 06:28 PM
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I kind of disagree. If they'd give us a decent player back I'd have to say yes. Kaberle might be a buyout candidate this summer already. I think if a team is interested you do it if you gain something decent from it.
This is the red wings not the blue jackets, they have the best management in the league. They wont be panicking and trading a young stud for Kaberle. They might give up a late draft pick and that's probably it.

Kaberle isn't a buyout candidate don't be ridiculous, he is excellent depth on our D.

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01-23-2013, 06:29 PM
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I wonder what the Oilers would want for MPS? I was thinking Morgan Ellis & Geoffrion for MPS and a 3rd. Seems likes he's on the outs with Edm. Deal gives them a solid D prospect.

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01-23-2013, 07:10 PM
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With 2 of 3 NHLonTSN panelists predicting Subban being traded, including Bob MacKenzie. I could see Philly bidding hard. Might also be a good chance to package Eller in a deal.

To Philly: Subban and Eller

To Montreal: Couturier and a 1st


AND MONTREAL'S NEW PROBLEM BECOMES DEFENSE....

Markov - Emelin

Gorges - Diaz

Kaberle - Boullion

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01-23-2013, 07:32 PM
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With 2 of 3 NHLonTSN panelists predicting Subban being traded, including Bob MacKenzie. I could see Philly bidding hard. Might also be a good chance to package Eller in a deal.

To Philly: Subban and Eller

To Montreal: Couturier and a 1st


AND MONTREAL'S NEW PROBLEM BECOMES DEFENSE....

Markov - Emelin

Gorges - Diaz

Kaberle - Boullion
Honestly I would think about it, because we could swing a deal for a high first or just pick with our own and draft Jones. I rather have Jones + Couts than Subban and Eller.

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01-23-2013, 07:52 PM
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If we trade Subban, I honestly might cry.

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01-23-2013, 07:53 PM
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PK + Gallagher + whatever. go after Taylor Hall

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01-23-2013, 08:02 PM
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PK + Gallagher + whatever. go after Taylor Hall
Why would Edmonton want to give up Taylor Hall?

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01-23-2013, 08:28 PM
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My proposal before was with thinking PK will sign and based on us having the general back and taking advantage of someone else's misfortune. I hope we do entertain offers for Kaberle to the flyers, wings, or even Edmonton (I feel they could use a vet d man)

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01-23-2013, 09:56 PM
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Why would Edmonton want to give up Taylor Hall?
they wouldn't want to. but if it improves the team. they need more D if they want to do ever anything. they will be able to score even without Hall. they are probably going to trade one of the young guys for a top D at some point no?

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01-23-2013, 10:10 PM
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Couturier plus 1st for Subban Eller would be good value but we'd have to swing the 1st to get a dman eating some minutes. Maybe we could pry out Seabrook? Plekanec + 1st for Seabrook.

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01-23-2013, 11:02 PM
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Why would Edmonton want to give up Taylor Hall?
They wouldn't, period. But I'm sure they would easilly give up Yakupov for Subban-Schultz on the power play. That Sarnia duo is one hell of a core for a great future longterm.

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01-24-2013, 12:06 AM
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Couturier plus 1st for Subban Eller would be good value but we'd have to swing the 1st to get a dman eating some minutes. Maybe we could pry out Seabrook? Plekanec + 1st for Seabrook.
And then we're in a complete rebuild.

You'd feel safe with a 1-2-3 of DD, couts and Alex?

This whole trade doesnt affect the real problem of the team.

We got DD or Eller that are expandable, and too much winger and PMD..

We are looking for quality here, on the wings and on the backend.

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01-24-2013, 12:14 AM
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Ok ya Yak would be even better. just was thinking that if I was Edmonton I would keep Yak over Hall. but they are already committed to Hall I guess so ya. what would it take to get Yak

PK + Gallagher + 1st +?

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01-24-2013, 12:27 AM
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Subban for Yakupov straight up would be a lateral trade for Montreal and an upgrade for Edmonton.

They just lost 6-3 to Vancouver, they are desperate for a Subban-type player.

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01-24-2013, 12:31 AM
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Subban for Yakupov straight up would be a lateral trade for Montreal and an upgrade for Edmonton.

They just lost 6-3 to Vancouver, they are desperate for a Subban-type player.
And we are too.

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01-24-2013, 12:44 AM
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And we are too.
We may be desperate for a Subban-type player, but our GM isn't interesting in having one.

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01-24-2013, 12:52 AM
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We may be desperate for a Subban-type player, but our GM isn't interesting in having one.
Bergevin isn't interested in having Subban now? This is some ridiculous stuff here.

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01-24-2013, 01:34 AM
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Subban for Yakupov straight up would be a lateral trade for Montreal and an upgrade for Edmonton.

They just lost 6-3 to Vancouver, they are desperate for a Subban-type player.
hahaha. You know I have issues with this 'inherent' logic. Honestly, I don't think it would be. Having Yakupov would be huge but if we lose Markov for any significant amount of time (which is still pretty likely) we'd be screwed. But we'd be screwed enough to get a top 5 pick. Yakupov-Galchenyuk-Drouin? That's obviously no guarantee but you know what I mean.

I have a lot of faith in our upcoming D prospects but the forwards aren't quite as sure a thing (still some good solid ones). I think I'd do Yakupov for PK straight up.

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01-24-2013, 07:26 AM
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With 2 of 3 NHLonTSN panelists predicting Subban being traded, including Bob MacKenzie. I could see Philly bidding hard. Might also be a good chance to package Eller in a deal.

To Philly: Subban and Eller

To Montreal: Couturier and a 1st


AND MONTREAL'S NEW PROBLEM BECOMES DEFENSE....

Markov - Emelin

Gorges - Diaz

Kaberle - Boullion
That deal makes no sense for the Habs. Eller might become as good an NHLer as Couturier and Subban for a probable late 1st makes no sense at all.

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01-24-2013, 08:25 AM
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That deal makes no sense for the Habs. Eller might become as good an NHLer as Couturier and Subban for a probable late 1st makes no sense at all.

Also...why would he be moved to the East, where we'd see him 6 or more times a year?


This whole soap opera is getting old. MB wants to offer a bridge deal, Subban wants a payday. One side will blink soon. But, unless Subban plays soonish, his "potential" and the numbers he put up last year won't matter as much as the image he is projecting, even to potential offer sheet GMs out there

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Bergevin isn't interested in having Subban now? This is some ridiculous stuff here.
Is it?

He's apparently dead set on low balling the best young dman we've had since chelios...

Not the kind of GM behavior that screams "we want this kid".

He got CP & MP signed very quickly, by giving them both long term deals that put the club at risk based on 1-2 seasons of play at that level. Sibban has 2 years of high level play & yet they apparently have too much doubt to make the same commitment?

Not interested, or not convinced would appear to be the most obvious conclusion... Sometimes when it looks & smells like a rat...

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Also...why would he be moved to the East, where we'd see him 6 or more times a year?


This whole soap opera is getting old. MB wants to offer a bridge deal, Subban wants a payday. One side will blink soon. But, unless Subban plays soonish, his "potential" and the numbers he put up last year won't matter as much as the image he is projecting, even to potential offer sheet GMs out there
We'd better hope so...

More likely is that the longer this plays out, the more emotions/pressure involved & with sharks circling, up go the odds that MB pulls the trigger on his own Gomez-esque blunder.

Watch us become the first team in history to trade away 2 elite top-pairing dmen in a short timeframe, with nothing but heartbreak to show for it.

MB is creating his own Waterloo with each passing day

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01-24-2013, 08:53 AM
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We'd better hope so...

More likely is that the longer this plays out, the more emotions/pressure involved & with sharks circling, up go the odds that MB pulls the trigger on his own Gomez-esque blunder.

Watch us become the first team in history to trade away 2 elite top-pairing dmen in a short timeframe, with nothing but heartbreak to show for it.

MB is creating his own Waterloo with each passing day
I don't think this is really resting on Bergevin. It seems to have alot more to do with Subban at this point.

Now, take it with a grain of salt, but
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/355208.html

Apparently Meehan has told Subban to sign a bridge deal, but he wants to get paid top dollar right now.

If that is true, Meehan has been around a long time, and has made life for GMs hell over the years, if he's agreeing with the bridge contract position, than this is looking more and more like Subban becoming the bigger part of the problem than a new GM who doesn't want to cause massive cap issues next year and beyond.

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We'd better hope so...

More likely is that the longer this plays out, the more emotions/pressure involved & with sharks circling, up go the odds that MB pulls the trigger on his own Gomez-esque blunder.

Watch us become the first team in history to trade away 2 elite top-pairing dmen in a short timeframe, with nothing but heartbreak to show for it.

MB is creating his own Waterloo with each passing day
You're talking like subban has already been traded for trash.

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