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01-23-2013, 10:05 PM
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Agree.

What sensible win-win, preferably keeping Kreider, is a deal we can make that gives us Benn for 3 years?

What would Dallas want?

If we ate a portion of his contract (the only really huge one on NYR not Gabby or Nash), could we send Brad Richards back? Would he go?

If yes to those, then
B. Richards + X
for
J. Benn + y
That would be so bad for Dallas to be in a position where they`d have to trade their best young player to get back a player on a ridiculously horrible contract who left no doubt about how he wanted to leave and **** them over in the process. Not saying it has a 0% chance of happening, but I`d certainly feel bad for Stars fans if it did.

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01-23-2013, 10:32 PM
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Nice turnover Hag's...way to go...between him and Boyle...painful to watch!
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How is Haleprin doing tonight, oh wait...he is barely playing because he sucks.
Don't question if your peers know hockey when clearly you don't know jack. Hagelin played a serviceable game after struggling the first two. He drew a penalty in the 3rd with his speed, pinned Boston a couple times with his speed, and he would have scored had the penalty not been called on Rupp because Rask was clearly not distracted by the whistle and was trying to stop the puck.

Halpern wasn't playing because Torts went to 3 lines from the middle of the 2nd period on to secure a win. Boston did the same thing...if you were paying attention (but clearly you weren't). Halpern did get PK time and was in front of Rask on a slapshot by Girardi when Rupp set him up as a pk expired. Halpern came close to scoring there.

Oh and btw, save the play by play criticism for the GDT....since...you know....that is what it's for.

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01-23-2013, 10:34 PM
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That would be so bad for Dallas to be in a position where they`d have to trade their best young player to get back a player on a ridiculously horrible contract who left no doubt about how he wanted to leave and **** them over in the process. Not saying it has a 0% chance of happening, but I`d certainly feel bad for Stars fans if it did.
Please don't get suckered into his trade proposals. He loves living in fantasy land. Trading Brad Richards? Ha....ha....ha.....HA! Stay with us here on earth, I promise it feels normal.

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01-24-2013, 01:11 AM
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That would be so bad for Dallas to be in a position where they`d have to trade their best young player
Agreed.
Note with appreciation you say Dallas would be in that position, not that it was my idea to say, hey, how can do a McDonagh on them.

They wanted Benn long term, he doesn't wanna go there now.
That happens to work well for us, because that's when other contracts will explode.

Benn restricting his next deal to max $ for 3 yrs only impacts offers.
But there will still be other good offers.
I said win-win, as in something wince wince we'll notice, but be worth it.
Dallas has to decide what is the best deal --- or offer Benn 3 years (but that's on them, not us).


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...to get back a player on a ridiculously horrible contract who left no doubt about how he wanted to leave and **** them over in the process.
I understand there are options in the later years, so it's really more like 4 + yrs.

It was high, not horrible before, that's was the going rate.
And I'm not gonna be hypocritical about it.
That's what Richards wanted, that's what he commanded, that's what he got.

Now with the new CBA, this deal is not in a vacuum, so we move him, or lose several other guys, which doesn't make sense.

We could create space dealing him elsewhere.
But this would help if Richards and Dallas were comfortable enough with it.

It's a good + high end passing center for a do it all great C, i.e, 1 for 1.
Rangers add in enough, may be something they can live with, compared to lowball offers.

It was my understanding, and I could well be wrong so pls advise if I am not fully informed, but it was my understanding he was good in Dallas, even gave them a chance during his last season there to work out something, which didn't happen. So Torts might be his favorite, but he would not be adverse to to the Stars, if he was getting paid.

To allow for saving face, we'd have to eat part of the current deal, and if $ is allowed to be included under the new CBA, we may have to do some of that.

Richards at some point does have to give Rangers options to move him, if he is the one contract they can't merely not afford vs. cap, but need to move so there is enough cap for multiple younger guys. I don't remember the exact provisions, but at some point soon, those will kick in. Richards did that, IMO, both to be magnanimous and because that was some of the leverage Sather had in negotiation, a price Richards paid to get top dollar.
As long as he gets top dollar, he can't complain.

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Not saying it has a 0% chance of happening, but I`d certainly feel bad for Stars fans if it did.
So what win win is possible to improve those odds?

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01-24-2013, 01:20 AM
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Please don't get suckered into his trade proposals. He loves living in fantasy land. Trading Brad Richards? Ha....ha....ha.....HA! Stay with us here on earth, I promise it feels normal.
Laugh all you want, it's a free country.
However after this year, slowly but surely, offers for Richards will be entertained.

Surely you don't deny the fact that we will, 2-3 years from now, need more room under a lower cap to sign more guys?

If higher priced guys (since we properly are definitely keeping our snipers Nash and Gaborik) like Girardi + even Staal + Richards, ultimately if they are moved, it makes sense to get a better deal sooner from a position of strength, than otherwise.

I will be proven right!

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01-24-2013, 02:02 AM
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I'll be waiting for that Benn for Richards deal to go through.

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01-24-2013, 05:04 AM
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Don't question if your peers know hockey when clearly you don't know jack. Hagelin played a serviceable game after struggling the first two. He drew a penalty in the 3rd with his speed, pinned Boston a couple times with his speed, and he would have scored had the penalty not been called on Rupp because Rask was clearly not distracted by the whistle and was trying to stop the puck.

Halpern wasn't playing because Torts went to 3 lines from the middle of the 2nd period on to secure a win. Boston did the same thing...if you were paying attention (but clearly you weren't). Halpern did get PK time and was in front of Rask on a slapshot by Girardi when Rupp set him up as a pk expired. Halpern came close to scoring there.

Oh and btw, save the play by play criticism for the GDT....since...you know....that is what it's for.
Boston rolled 11 forwards...only player to sit was Thornton...when you want to secure the game you sit guys you don't trust...so basically Torts views your boy the same as Bickel and a rookie...

How about P.K Subban for Nash...

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01-24-2013, 07:10 AM
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Boston rolled 11 forwards...only player to sit was Thornton...when you want to secure the game you sit guys you don't trust...so basically Torts views your boy the same as Bickel and a rookie...

How about P.K Subban for Nash...
Reading your posts are painful. Last time I checked Kreider is a rookie. But to compare him to Bickel is just an incoherent thought. "My boy" has raw talent and skills to survive in this league. At times he has had trouble keeping up with the tempo of the game. He will gain confidence against the lesser of the teams in the conference and develop his game. Its been three games.

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Rundblad demoted by PHX...

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Bickel for Rundblad

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01-24-2013, 07:32 AM
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Erixon,Rundblad and Larsson have struggled a bit. OEL is the only one of that group to have established himself as a NHL regular.

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I have no doubts all 3 of them will make it eventually.

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Reading your posts are painful. Last time I checked Kreider is a rookie. But to compare him to Bickel is just an incoherent thought. "My boy" has raw talent and skills to survive in this league. At times he has had trouble keeping up with the tempo of the game. He will gain confidence against the lesser of the teams in the conference and develop his game. Its been three games.
Who is comparing Kreider to Bickel and who said anything about Kreider, kid is a stud...do you know what reading comprehension is?

I said haleprn the great was benched along with bickel, who can fight and do nothing else and kreider, who is a rookie and learning each day.

Don't look now..kassian goal in regulation and in shootout..hagelin skates fast

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Erixon,Rundblad and Larsson have struggled a bit. OEL is the only one of that group to have established himself as a NHL regular.
Yeah, but OEL is looking extremely good and Larsson is still very very young (he went in the same draft as JT Miller).

Tim Erixon and David Rundblad are both the same age as Chris Kreider give or take a few month's. I think both the former mentioned have been hyped for sure, but its extremely early to label them as a somewhat of a lost generation or something even remotely like that. I also think that its important to acknowledge that Rundblad would be a heck of a better fit in NY than Erixon. Tim had Staal, McD and MDZ ahead of him on the depth chart, and is not a PPQB (on the same team the same season Rundblad had 50 pts and Erixon had 24 pts).

It all depends on what perspective you look at this from. I would be hesitant to trade Kreider or even Miller for Rundblad. I don't think he is a lock to become a star in this league. But boy could he potentially make a impact here in NY, talk about coming to a set table in terms of a open spot on a PP with Richards, Nash, Callahan and co. Having a ton of solid defensive partners to play with. And so forth.

Its certainly a legit concern with Rundblad to worry what we would have to give up to get him.

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OEL is 21 y/o and was around 30th overall in scoring for D's last season as a 19-20 y/o. He will look to move into the top 15-20 this season (I think he is 7th right now).

For Portland during the lockout, it wasn''t OEL who ran the PP. Or former 13th overall pick in 2010 Brandon Gormley. It was David Rundblad.

Tim Erixon saw some PP time in NY as a 20 y/o, David Rundblad is easily 2x good as Erixon on the PP. Comparing Erixon with Rundblad is like comparing Kevin Lowe with Sergei Zubov.

That's why Rundblad is interesting. He is tremendous on the PP point. He has been a star in 2 WJCs. Played in the men's WCH's as a 20 y/o. He has played 30 games in the NHL and done some really good things. He has been a star in the AHL. He is still the same age as Chris Kreider.

David Rundblad is definitely "flawed" offensively. He is a good hitter, would easily be the best hitting D on this team (he somewhat of a poor mans Kronwall, and that part of his game could improve alot too). But the mobility/defensive lateral movement isn't there to play a top notch defensive game. If there is a fast transition play he is sometimes exposed. He is definitely not Zherdev on defense, but like we see Bickel getting beaten defensively we would also see Rundblad exposed from time to time. If not, he would never be available.

He would definitely have tremendous upside on this team. The downside is hard to value though, depends on what we give up. I definitely hopes that Slats are calling Maloney about him though, because if we could get him he could be the diffrence between like a 22% PP or a 16% PP...

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so someone also posted Rangers need Jason Arnott on the Trade Boards thread, lol

I do agree though as a depth guy like Arnott would help alot IF they are going to send Kreider down. Ferriero can stay down as well for depth or stay as a 13th F

Boyle, Arnott, Pyatt third line?

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i don't want arnott at all

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Arnott can't play those kinds of minutes anymore. If anyone thought he was capable of it, he'd be signed somewhere.

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Yeah, but OEL is looking extremely good and Larsson is still very very young (he went in the same draft as JT Miller).

Tim Erixon and David Rundblad are both the same age as Chris Kreider give or take a few month's. I think both the former mentioned have been hyped for sure, but its extremely early to label them as a somewhat of a lost generation or something even remotely like that. I also think that its important to acknowledge that Rundblad would be a heck of a better fit in NY than Erixon. Tim had Staal, McD and MDZ ahead of him on the depth chart, and is not a PPQB (on the same team the same season Rundblad had 50 pts and Erixon had 24 pts).

It all depends on what perspective you look at this from. I would be hesitant to trade Kreider or even Miller for Rundblad. I don't think he is a lock to become a star in this league. But boy could he potentially make a impact here in NY, talk about coming to a set table in terms of a open spot on a PP with Richards, Nash, Callahan and co. Having a ton of solid defensive partners to play with. And so forth.

Its certainly a legit concern with Rundblad to worry what we would have to give up to get him.
That last sentence is the important piece. We likely don't have the assets to acquire a guy like Rundblad. Phoenix needs NHL ready offense and we have none to give. We spent most of our capital on Nash, which I fully endorse, but at the same time it left us very thin in terms of tradeable assets. Unless some team comes along and is interested in guys who are a long way off, or draft picks who are even further away, we're going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for help.

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NEW YORK RANGERS (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
1 D McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) $1,300,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2 F Stepan, Derek (ELC) $875,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R2 #51 NYR (2008)
3 F Hagelin, Carl (ELC) $875,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #168 NYR (2007)
4 D Sauer, Michael (LTIR) $1,250,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R2 #40 NYR (2005)
5 D Eminger, Steve $750,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Washington (2002)
6 F Halpern, Jeff $700,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
7 D Gilroy, Matt $650,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
8 D Del Zotto, M. $2,550,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #20 NYR (2008)
9 F Gaborik, Marian (NTC) $7,500,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #3 Minnesota (2000)
10 G Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #208 NYR (2000)
11 F Callahan, Ryan $4,275,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R4 #127 NYR (2004)
12 D Girardi, Dan $3,325,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
13 D Stralman, Anton $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
14 F Boyle, Brian $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
15 F Pyatt, Taylor $1,550,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
16 F Rupp, Mike $1,500,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #9 New York Isles (1998)
17 G Biron, Martin $1,300,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
18 F Asham, Arron $1,000,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
19 D Bickel, Stu $750,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
20 F Kreider, Chris (ELC) $1,325,000* RFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #19 NYR (2009)
21 D Staal, Marc $3,975,000 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 NYR (2005)
22 F Nash, Rick (NMC) $7,800,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
23 F Richards, Brad (NMC) $6,666,667 UFA 2020 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
24 D Delisle, Steven (ELC) $733,333* RFA 2013 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R4 #107 CBJ (2008)
25 D Niemi, Jyri (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2013 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R3 #72 NYI (2008)
33 F Ferriero, Benn $700,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #196 Phoenix (2006)
26 D Pyett, Logan $600,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
27 G Talbot, Cameron $550,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
28 F Mashinter, Brandon $550,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
29 D Parlett, Blake (ELC) $537,500 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
30 D Collins, Sean $600,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
31 F Segal, Brandon $550,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
32 D Vernace, Mike $525,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
34 F Jean, Kyle (ELC) $925,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
35 F Bourque, Ryan (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #80 NYR (2009)
36 G Missiaen, Jason (ELC) $750,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
37 G Stajcer, Scott (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R5 #140 NYR (2009)
38 F Wilson, Jason (ELC) $588,333 RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R5 #130 NYR (2010)
39 D McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) $1,295,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #10 NYR (2010)
40 F Haley, Micheal $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
41 F Newbury, Kris $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
42 F Thomas, Christian (ELC) $970,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R2 #40 NYR (2010)
43 F Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2015 Loaned to HV71/SEL R6 #157 NYR (2010)
44 F Yogan, Andrew (ELC) $800,000 RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #100 NYR (2010)
45 F Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) $760,000* RFA 2015 Loaned to Skellefteå AIK/SEL R2 #57 PHX (2010)
46 F Hrivik, Marek (ELC) $685,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
+ F Zuccarello, Mats (not signed) Rights retained UFA 2013 Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL Undrafted
+ F Miller, J.T. (ELC S) $1,244,167* RFA 2016 Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #15 NYR (2011)
+ F St. Croix, M. (ELC S) $665,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL R4 #106 NYR (2011)

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR
Pos PlayerTeam Drafted
D Pashnin, Mikhail HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F Fogarty, Steven Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F McColgan, Shane Saskatoon Blades/WHL R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D Noreau, Samuel Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ R5 #136 NYR(2011)
D Čerešňák, Peter Peterborough Petes/OHL R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D Skjei, Brady Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F Nieves, Cristoval Michigan Wolverines/CCHA R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D Andersson, Calle Färjestad BK/SEL R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F Spelling, Thomas Oskarshamn/HA R5 #142 NYR(2012)

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round Florida (for W. Wolski 2012)
  • 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
  • 4th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
  • No 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
  • NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)

NYR Draft picks in 2014
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR San Jose gets the pick)

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This Subban hype is getting out of control. He's good, but he's certainly not Pietrangelo or Doughty good.

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I think a veteran, stay-at-home defenseman would be optimal on our 3rd pair with DZ. Rundblad would be great nonetheless of course, but what would he cost?
Oh and I have absolutely no interest in Subban for what he will cost both in assets and money. He is a nice player, but adding him will be lateral at best considering the costs. Like Trxjw said: He's good, but he's not that good.

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01-24-2013, 12:35 PM
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Nick Kypreos was discussing Marian Gaborik. He made a comment about the Rangers looking/thinking to move him. If Gaby plays like last night,the Rangers won't be thinking about moving him.

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Nick Kypreos was discussing Marian Gaborik. He made a comment about the Rangers looking/thinking to move him. If Gaby plays like last night,the Rangers won't be thinking about moving him.
I seriously think the valuation period of Gabby starts when the puck is dropped in the PO's and stops when the PO's are over.

Gabby got a NTC unless I am misstaken and you always gotta evaluate if you can find a better replacement when a trade is made, but I don't think trading Gabby is out of the question unless he really performs in the PO's.

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I find Gaborik trade talk to be ludicrous.

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