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Top 25 Swedish Hockey Players of All-Time - #25 - FINAL POLL

View Poll Results: #25
Pekka Lindmark 1 4.35%
Honken Holmqvist 5 21.74%
Bengt-Ake Gustafsson 1 4.35%
Tomas Sandstrom 3 13.04%
Tomas Jonsson 0 0%
Jorgen Jonsson 2 8.70%
Calle Johansson 1 4.35%
Thomas Gradin 2 8.70%
Patrik Sundstrom 0 0%
Stefan Persson 0 0%
Pelle Lindbergh 8 34.78%
Michael Nylander 0 0%
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01-22-2013, 09:41 AM
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Which ones should be in the HHoF? Who should #25 be? Pelle Lindbergh? Here's the final poll:

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Who are the top 25 Swedish hockey players of all-time?

1. Nicklas Lidstrom - 73.68%
2. Peter Forsberg - 73.08%
3. Borje Salming - 61.90%
4. Mats Sundin - 61.02%
5. Sven Tumba - 45.45%
6. Henrik Lundqvist - 40.35%
7. Daniel Alfredsson - 57.69%
8. Henrik Zetterberg - 43.18%
9. Henrik Sedin - 52.78%
10. Markus Naslund - 31.43%
11. Daniel Sedin - 43.90%
12. Lennart Svedberg - 25.00%
13. Mats Naslund - 29.27%
14. Hakan Loob - 43.48%
15. Ulf Samuelsson - 43.33%
16. Kent Nilsson - 70.00%
17. Lars-Erik Sjoberg - 18.52%
18. Anders Hedberg - 34.29%
19. Ulf Nilsson - 40.74%
20. Thomas Steen - 30.30% (won tiebreaker)
21. Mattias Ohlund - 30.30% (lost tiebreaker)
22. Kenny Jonsson - 41.67%
23. Ulf Sterner - 28.57%
24. Nicklas Backstrom - 31.25%

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They may have been better, sure. But were they more important to the team's success? I think that it's very clear that they weren't.
Cloutier was more impactful on the team's results certainly, but generally "more important" is used when referring to causing positive influence, not the absolute amount of influence the player has on the team's performance. Even if it should be the latter.

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01-22-2013, 06:35 PM
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Forsberg love is very strong here. I guess I just don't value players that are broken because of their style of play that much. This goes for Forsberg, Lindros, Bure and even Orr. (and many others)
I'd rate Sundin and Salming and perhaps Lundqvist above Forsberg. The worst player in your team is the one that is not playing, be it injury or lack of skill, it doesn't matter.

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01-22-2013, 08:16 PM
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Forsberg love is very strong here. I guess I just don't value players that are broken because of their style of play that much. This goes for Forsberg, Lindros, Bure and even Orr. (and many others)
I'd rate Sundin and Salming and perhaps Lundqvist above Forsberg. The worst player in your team is the one that is not playing, be it injury or lack of skill, it doesn't matter.
I saw your post on top 10 Finnish guys of all time, you should do a post and poll like this thread.

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01-23-2013, 08:32 AM
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I saw your post on top 10 Finnish guys of all time, you should do a post and poll like this thread.
Seems somebody already did while I was sleeping.

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01-23-2013, 12:02 PM
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Markus Naslund was a looser when it mattered and i cheered when Tomas Holmstrom, who got overlooked firstly, took his place for the 2006 olympics. Gold medal right there.

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Mats Sundin was a beast

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01-23-2013, 02:21 PM
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Markus Naslund was a looser when it mattered and i cheered when Tomas Holmstrom, who got overlooked firstly, took his place for the 2006 olympics. Gold medal right there.
yep. many of us were happy to see him replaced in vancouver by pavol demitra, and really would have been much happier if nonis had managed to dump him for scott niedermayer as was rumoured (probably wasn't going to happen, due to the brother thing).

if you look at the threads for the early polls, you'll see that the people who saw him play most (with the exception of MS, who is a canucks fan but stands up for markus) all savaging him. most of his defenders were NA-based and mostly saw him from afar.

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01-24-2013, 06:57 AM
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Why aren't Thomas Gradin, Patrik Sundström, Bengt-Åke Gustafsson and Per-Erik Eklund on the top 25? And a few on the list should not be there at all.

In the 70s and big portion of 80s it was a lot tougher to make an impact for Europeans than today. Today the game is very "European" friendly with coaches and GMs very aware of how to handle talents.

Patrik Sundstrom for instance would have been a franchise player today. In my book the great centers from Sweden in the 80s were better than many of the players of today. Majority of the players Sweden had in NHL back then were topnotch player, making a difference for national team. Today it feels very watered with random players playing regular shifts in their NHL teams but useless in national team.

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so i'm necroing this thread because tonight is matthias ohlund night in vancouver and henrik sedin had this to say:

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Canucks captain Henrik Sedin, who played with Ohlund for eight seasons, said despite Ohlund's accomplishments in the NHL and with the national team, he remains somewhat underappreciated among the top Swedish players.

"To be honest, I think he's a little underrated back home because he left early," Sedin said. "Maybe he's not regarded as highly as [Nicklas] Lidstrom and those guys, but he's a top-five defensemen all time [in Sweden]. Maybe his numbers don't stand out as much, but his defensive play and the things he did to help the team win always stand out for me."
at first i thought it was a textbook nutso teammate endorsement. then i thought about it and... well maybe it's not so crazy. so i looked back at this thread and we had ohlund #6 all-time, behind

1. lidstrom
2. salming
3. svedberg
4. samuelsson
5. sjoberg

i think we'd undeniably now have karlsson somewhere in there, maybe as high as 3.

but looking back, and this was one of my favourite HOH projects because i learned so much from it, it does still feel a little off to have ohlund the 7th greatest swedish defenseman of all time, doesn't it?

admittedly, kenny jonsson finished right behind him, but still... with four years' distance where would you guys have ohlund now?

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I don't think it's a stretch to have Erik Karlsson at #5 overall right now

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so i'm necroing this thread because tonight is matthias ohlund night in vancouver and henrik sedin had this to say:

at first i thought it was a textbook nutso teammate endorsement. then i thought about it and... well maybe it's not so crazy. so i looked back at this thread and we had ohlund #6 all-time, behind

1. lidstrom
2. salming
3. svedberg
4. samuelsson
5. sjoberg

i think we'd undeniably now have karlsson somewhere in there, maybe as high as 3.

but looking back, and this was one of my favourite HOH projects because i learned so much from it, it does still feel a little off to have ohlund the 7th greatest swedish defenseman of all time, doesn't it?

admittedly, kenny jonsson finished right behind him, but still... with four years' distance where would you guys have ohlund now?
Öhlund is an underrated player. If not for injuries I think he would have challenged for the 3rd place on this list (until Karlsson takes his place on the list that is). But as it played out I think Calle Johansson has an good case for being ahed of Öhlund as well. I would personally put Johansson ahead of Öhlund. Even if at Öhlunds absolute peak, as short as it was, he was the better player and with potential to be an top 5 D and compete for an Norris his prime seasons his career value is lower than Johanssons as I see it. And:
* Since 2012 I would say Kronwall has probably passed them both.
* Karlsson certainly have.

So top 5 swedish D is teammate endorsement, but as you say not by as much as one would think. But now we also have an golden generation of swedish defenders in the NHL. So barring injuries I would guess Hedman and Ekman-Larsson would finish ahead as well. With an outside chance for Klingberg, Lindholm and Hjalmarsson if they manage long careers.

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I don't think it's a stretch to have Erik Karlsson at #5 overall right now
I would place him right after Salming at this moment. His peak validates it as I see it. And I could see him pass Salming as soon as in 3-5 seasons, if he continues to play at this peak level.

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I'd put Tomas Holmstrom into Top 25 without blinking.

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yep. many of us were happy to see him replaced in vancouver by pavol demitra, and really would have been much happier if nonis had managed to dump him for scott niedermayer as was rumoured (probably wasn't going to happen, due to the brother thing).

if you look at the threads for the early polls, you'll see that the people who saw him play most (with the exception of MS, who is a canucks fan but stands up for markus) all savaging him. most of his defenders were NA-based and mostly saw him from afar.
I wanted to like him, but he was always so feckless under pressure (must have been maddening having him as your go-to guy). His wrist shot was just beautiful though.

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Jörgen Jönsson should be on this list. He could have played in the NHL but choose to leave due to family reasons. Back home, he was the cornerstone of Färjestads dynasty years while contributing to 11 (ELEVEN) medals with the national team, including two olympic gold medals. He was the captain for Team Sweden and is still the player with most national games played.

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