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01-23-2013, 03:17 PM
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I could be wrong but I don't think this is nearly enough value for Perry.
Scary Perry, maybe.

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01-23-2013, 03:46 PM
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I'm not even convinced he got benched for a mistake. He was getting PP time after that. Coaches don't put guys they are benching on the PP.

It was simply a situational change. Against the explosive Flyers, a late 3-0 still isn't safe. Better to shorten the bench and sit guys who are unreliable defensively.
Regarding the PP time, it pretty much HAD to be Tedenby with Matteau and Bernier both in the box. Usually it's Bernier on that second PP, where he (and the whole second unit, and the first) has looked like garbage so far.

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I could be wrong but I don't think this is nearly enough value for Perry.
He's a UFA though, his value in a trade is mostly as a rental.

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01-23-2013, 04:50 PM
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We don't have a 1st to trade. This year's has to be kept since the draft is in our building, and that means next year's is sacrificed to the angry Hockey gods.
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Pittsburgh would annihilate that offer for Perry.
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I could be wrong but I don't think this is nearly enough value for Perry.
Surprised no one realized this was a loose translation of the Kovy deal. Wasn't totally serious, but I would do it in a heartbeat.

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01-23-2013, 05:17 PM
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You can't build value if you stick him out in spots to fail. He starts out strong then Pete pulls him out when he starts to falter leaving only the good behind. Do that for 5-10 games and it will get someone to see it as a bonus in a package deal in this exaggerated short season. Things are going to get desperate quick for a few teams. We can only hope one of them is a good trade partner.
I'm not convinced that DeBoer is handling him the way he is with a trade in mind as the end goal. I don't think there is any directive from management in that regard. DeBoer is just using him the way he has to in order to get wins, and that's how it should be.

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If we pick 30th, the fans in the stands will just have to deal with Lou giving up the pick.
In that situation, I think I'd be upset if Lou didn't give up the pick.

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01-23-2013, 05:20 PM
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I'm not convinced that DeBoer is handling him the way he is with a trade in mind as the end goal. I don't think there is any directive from management in that regard. DeBoer is just using him the way he has to in order to get wins, and that's how it should be.



In that situation, I think I'd be upset if Lou didn't give up the pick.
I think I would cheer giving up that pick considering what it means to pick 30th. Boo Gary though for having to give it up in the first place.

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01-23-2013, 05:20 PM
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Surprised no one realized this was a loose translation of the Kovy deal. Wasn't totally serious, but I would do it in a heartbeat.
Thought about it. Got confused when you brought up Burlon. Oh wells.

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01-23-2013, 09:02 PM
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I suggested this in the trade forums when it broke, and it was admittedly half-hearted. Something around Nino Neiderreiter and Tedenby makes sense, if what was reported from Nino's camp was actually true.

For what it's worth, I'll fight tooth and nail to say Tedenby isn't an NHL player at the moment, but I'll also fight to say everyone else has been given their opportunity in times of injury (Henrique anyone?, Josefson, Matteau, Harrold) and Tedenby deserves the same look. The kid's worth it if he can hold the second line, but he absolutely cannot play with Josefson/Clarkson on a third line, absolutely not. No way. 2nd line or bust.

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01-23-2013, 09:11 PM
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I wouldn't even trade Tedenby for Niedereitter and I'm not a Tedenby fan. The guy's in the same boat as Kyle Turris and even Justin Schultz, someone Lou would never trade for anyway cause they act entitled before they've earned anything.

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01-23-2013, 09:48 PM
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I still think Tedenby can be an effective scorer in this league.
Hope they don't give up on him too early.

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01-23-2013, 09:57 PM
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I still think Tedenby can be an effective scorer in this league.
Hope they don't give up on him too early.
He needs to start scoring soon then, and fast. I don't see why it's top 6 or bust though. However it is score, or no top 6. If he's kept on the second line for the entirety of games he needs to start scoring some goals, or a whole lot of assists. He did get an assist in game 1 which is good, but he needs to be consistent. None of this 5, 6, 7 game scoring drought stuff. He's had over 100 games already.

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01-23-2013, 10:15 PM
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Why are some folks so interested in Niederreiter? He's damaged goods now. Even if you think Tedenby is a bust, better to hang onto our busts than take a bigger gamble with somebody else's.

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01-23-2013, 10:20 PM
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I'll be concerned about NJ scoring goals when the problem arises.

Once Henrique comes back we will have plenty of firepower. Maybe near the deadline to pick up some extra depth but not now. Things are working, dont change that.

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01-23-2013, 10:23 PM
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I'll be concerned about NJ scoring goals when the problem arises.

Once Henrique comes back we will have plenty of firepower. Maybe near the deadline to pick up some extra depth but not now. Things are working, dont change that.
They are working, but remember we can't depend on the same guys, Kovy, Clarkie, Trav, to score every game. Don't want Nino either. His name is pretty cool, but so was Barry Tallackson's!

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01-24-2013, 12:00 AM
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Why are some folks so interested in Niederreiter? He's damaged goods now. Even if you think Tedenby is a bust, better to hang onto our busts than take a bigger gamble with somebody else's.
Grass is always greener.

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01-24-2013, 06:13 AM
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Everyone sees the potential in Tedenby. I don't know if the potential is even real at this point. He's never been the scorer we all think he COULD be. I would absolutely love him to turn into that player. I've been high on him for the last 3 years. I had a man crush on him before the star of the Johnny Mac era. I don't know if this is an oasis of what could be or not but it sure seems like that.

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01-24-2013, 08:01 AM
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Uh, wow, I would totally trade Tedenby for Niederreiter. I would seriously question the objectivity of anyone who wouldn't.

Nino is two years younger than Tedenby and doubled his offensive output in the AHL.

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01-24-2013, 08:02 AM
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Why are some folks so interested in Niederreiter? He's damaged goods now. Even if you think Tedenby is a bust, better to hang onto our busts than take a bigger gamble with somebody else's.
What about a 20-year old putting up 36 points in 39 AHL games sounds like a "bust" to you?

By that logic, the Devils have a lot of busts. Henrique and Josefon were busts based on their AHL play.

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01-24-2013, 08:11 AM
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Uh, wow, I would totally trade Tedenby for Niederreiter. I would seriously question the objectivity of anyone who wouldn't.

Nino is two years younger than Tedenby and doubled his offensive output in the AHL.
This.

Anyone who wouldn't do this trade need to seek help.... and fast.

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01-24-2013, 08:15 AM
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O Tedenby....

But I don't see how he has any value in a trade right now except for a toss in. Don't believe Bergfors is a great comparison yet because Bergfors at least put up points before he got traded.

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01-24-2013, 08:39 AM
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Tedenby is all flash. He'll wow you with a great move, leave you wanting for more and come up short when it's all said and done.

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01-24-2013, 09:12 AM
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Bust.

A small fast-ish player that cannot play defense must be a prolific scorer to have the slightest chance at staying in this league.

Tedenby has never once shown that he is capable at any level of being a prolific scorer.

So what do you have? Size and strength are not a positive attributes, hockey sense is poor, defense is little to nonexistent and scoring is marginal at best....

Do you understand the improvement that needs to be made for a player of that description to be a NHL regular?

Not going to happen.

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01-24-2013, 09:22 AM
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What about a 20-year old putting up 36 points in 39 AHL games sounds like a "bust" to you?

By that logic, the Devils have a lot of busts. Henrique and Josefon were busts based on their AHL play.
Yeah, how can anyone say he`s damaged goods is beyond me.

By that logic, one could say that Josefson will never recover from his injuries and should be traded.

Nino is still a legit talent. One bad season, which he shouldn`t have spent in the NHL anyway, won`t nor should cloud anyone`s judgement.

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01-24-2013, 09:25 AM
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He doesn't put up the points for top 6 and doesn't have the hockey sense or physicality for the bottom 6. He had all the potential, but never seemed to be able to put it all together.

9 goals in 103 NHL games.

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01-24-2013, 09:30 AM
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He doesn't put up the points for top 6 and doesn't have the hockey sense or physicality for the bottom 6. He had all the potential, but never seemed to be able to put it all together.

9 goals in 103 NHL games.
One thing we want to adjust for is Time On Ice. If we gave Tedenby on average 18 minutes of Time On Ice, instead of the 11 minutes or so that he has averaged, then he would only be at about 67 games played. 29 points in 67 games doesn't look too horrible, especially considering he played a part of that with an awful 4th line that Kovy couldn't even get points with.

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