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LW John Gaudreau - Boston College, HE (2011, 104th overall, Calgary)

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01-23-2013, 02:16 AM
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They say he's listed at 5'8" and 153 lbs now. Well Tyler Ennis was 5'9" and 160 lbs at this age.. Not much difference there and it hasn't stopped Ennis from developing into a productive scorer in the NHL.

People need to stop saying John Gaudreau won't make it on his small size alone, because other players have proven they can. Also, he is still growing. Not too long ago he was 5'6" and 141 lbs so I say 12 lbs is a nice steady progression from yesteryear. Stop beating a dead horse and playing the roles of broken record. Lets discuss something other than the kid's size. I am shocked at how obsessive these forums can get on one detail. lol

Yikes. At this point, one has to move on. I know I posted his size, but only because I think other things should play a factor. Like the will, spirit, talent, and smarts. Nobody should be guaranteeing his success in the NHL or even making it, but on the flip side, one shouldn't be so easy to dismiss he will have any NHL relevance on a narrow-minded thing as size. Yes, size is important, but so are other things like I mentioned.


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01-23-2013, 04:52 AM
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Steve Sullivan has had a productive career and I don't think he's ever weighed more than 160 lbs.

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01-23-2013, 09:25 AM
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Height-wise I think Gaudreau is likely fine. He definitely needs to add some mass though. How that will affect his play remains to be seen.

He's tough to project because of his size. It's undeniable the guy has incredible skill, but he will need to bulk up a good 15-20 pounds if he hopes to play in the NHL.

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01-23-2013, 09:53 AM
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Desharnais has one good season, Atkinson and Conacher are hardly established in the NHL. The other guys are good prospects or NHL players that have had a solid year or two. The common thread among every single one of them mentioned? They are all bigger than Gaudreau. The most generous estimation of his size I've seen is 5'8" 153. I've seen him play, he's 5'7" at most. The lightest guy among those you mentioned is at least 15-20 pounds heavier than Gaudreau, which is a huge difference. Nobody that is that small has had the impact in the modern NHL that people project Gaudreau will have.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen Gaudreau play, and he's a great player. His vision, anticipation, and hockey IQ is great. But people seriously need to stop trying to justify him as a guaranteed hit prospect. He's a good, legitimate, quality NHL prospect. He is not the god you paint him out to be.
way too much comparing going on there Billy.

and dont act like Johnny cant grow in 2-3 years as he will likely have that time before ever worrying about the pro game (NHL).

everyone has seen Gaudreau play now, and without question he is one of the more exciting prospects around. he is always going to have question marks about his size, same with Grimaldi, but Gaudreau has proven everyone wrong at every level he has played at.

I am not going to say he is going to be a NHL player or NHL star, but as it stands currently, this kid is exactly what the league needs, and I firmly believe he is a top 20 prospect right now without a doubt. people over-pimp size way too much on here and in scouting, sometimes players simply make it on their skill level,work ethic and drive...all areas where Johnny excels at.

kid has a bright bright future ahead.

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01-23-2013, 11:12 AM
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Too much nonsense in this thread.

Johnny Gaudreau is best served at staying the full four years at college barring a lot of physical growth over the next year. Its not only the fact he is small, he is gonna have to transition his body from a 40+ games schedule to an 82 game one. As stated, College gives him the best opportunity to do that. He needs to be developed slowly, rushing him should not be an option. Not only for Gaudreaus's sake but for Calgary's. They need him to pan out and be a top 6 forward for them. If he busts it could severely hurt the immediate future of the franchise. People say he needs to face higher competition asap, but his hockey sense will be what determines how well he adjusts. I have no doubts a physically mature Gaudreau can be an NHL contributor.

Problems with Gaudreau's skating have been severely overstated. He has decent top end speed and ELITE agility (lateral movement and edge control). Think of him as a Jeff skinner type skater rather than a Marty St.louis. He needs to work on his first step, which can be fixed through gaining explosive muscle over the next few years.

Finally, some flames fan need to get over playing this whole "victim" card when it comes to prospects. Ignore the trolls, but if someone brings up a legitimite concern about a prospect (size, first step, etc...) address it, rather than "BUST" or "He doesnt get respect because he's a flames prospect". It's embarrassing, and serves no purpose in changing peoples opinions.

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01-23-2013, 12:47 PM
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Too much nonsense in this thread.

Johnny Gaudreau is best served at staying the full four years at college barring a lot of physical growth over the next year. Its not only the fact he is small, he is gonna have to transition his body from a 40+ games schedule to an 82 game one. As stated, College gives him the best opportunity to do that. He needs to be developed slowly, rushing him should not be an option. Not only for Gaudreaus's sake but for Calgary's. They need him to pan out and be a top 6 forward for them. If he busts it could severely hurt the immediate future of the franchise. People say he needs to face higher competition asap, but his hockey sense will be what determines how well he adjusts. I have no doubts a physically mature Gaudreau can be an NHL contributor.

Problems with Gaudreau's skating have been severely overstated. He has decent top end speed and ELITE agility (lateral movement and edge control). Think of him as a Jeff skinner type skater rather than a Marty St.louis. He needs to work on his first step, which can be fixed through gaining explosive muscle over the next few years.

Finally, some flames fan need to get over playing this whole "victim" card when it comes to prospects. Ignore the trolls, but if someone brings up a legitimite concern about a prospect (size, first step, etc...) address it, rather than "BUST" or "He doesnt get respect because he's a flames prospect". It's embarrassing, and serves no purpose in changing peoples opinions.
I just think people get a little annoyed when the 58th person comes in saying his size might hold him back like everyone hasn't already noticed this.

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01-23-2013, 04:52 PM
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Johnny Gaudreau is best served at staying the full four years at college barring a lot of physical growth over the next year. Its not only the fact he is small, he is gonna have to transition his body from a 40+ games schedule to an 82 game one. As stated, College gives him the best opportunity to do that.
Agreed on all points but this one. I can see a good argument for him playing one more year at college after this one, but unless he stays ridicusmall, swapping to the AHL for a season rather than his 4th year in college makes a lot of sense to me.

And again, I think even going to the AHL next season might be a possibility if he gets a little more weight.

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01-24-2013, 12:19 AM
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Agreed on all points but this one. I can see a good argument for him playing one more year at college after this one, but unless he stays ridicusmall, swapping to the AHL for a season rather than his 4th year in college makes a lot of sense to me.

And again, I think even going to the AHL next season might be a possibility if he gets a little more weight.
Im still going to have to disagree. He is at a crucial part in his development. He is just finishing puberty and these next 2 years will be when it will be easiest for him to gain muscle. If he has made significant strides after next season, maybe then he can go to the AHL, but I would want his weight at 170+ by that training camp. 15-20 pounds is possible in just under 2 years, but not overly likely.

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http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=10314

I see Corey Locke as a fitting comparable to Gaudreau. Small player with mediocre at best speed, dominant offensive flair in the juniors (except Locke was more dominant than Gaudreau is now)

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http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=10314

I see Corey Locke as a fitting comparable to Gaudreau. Small player with mediocre at best speed, dominant offensive flair in the juniors (except Locke was more dominant than Gaudreau is now)
are you actually trying to compare OHL stats to NCAA stats? Keep grasping fella.

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Steve Sullivan has had a productive career and I don't think he's ever weighed more than 160 lbs.
Very timely post. Well done

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Steve Sullivan has had a productive career and I don't think he's ever weighed more than 160 lbs.
Sullivan may be the most comparable player in terms of style as well IMO.

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We also don't know what Gaudreau's optimum playing weight is, while he may be able to add 15-20 lbs is it going to effect his speed and agility? you shouldn't just add size for size's sake especially if you're a skill player like Gaudreau. If he's 155 lbs now then 165 might be the best weight for him.

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We also don't know what Gaudreau's optimum playing weight is, while he may be able to add 15-20 lbs is it going to effect his speed and agility? you shouldn't just add size for size's sake especially if you're a skill player like Gaudreau. If he's 155 lbs now then 165 might be the best weight for him.
As long as he adds weight in the right way I'm sure he'll be fine at 170 lbs at minimum. If he focuses are strengthening his core, legs and some upper body training on his shoulders, etc to focus on injury prevention I'm sure he will be fine.

Sometimes I think adding muscle can actually improve agility if he keeps stretching and not putting on excess weight just because he will have a stronger core and legs, which helps with all sorts of movements. But you are certainly right that Gaudreau needs to prioritize staying agile.

I still remember him getting naiiled into the boards once in the wjc and shudder thinking of some guy in the AHL doing that to him given his tiny build. An injury is my biggest fear for him jumping up to the AHL before he has a more mature body with some more muscle.

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Another goal and assist tonight giving him 13 goals 20 assists for 33 points in 21 games.

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He needs to work on his first step. At his size he's going to need to be shifting around checkers who will destroy his little boy frame. He's not St. Louis who although short is built like a bowling bowl (see Ray Rice in the Superbowl for a comparable). He's more like Kane with his skinny frame but I don't think he has Kane's elusiveness. His hands and hockey sense are a thing of beauty though. I just wouldn't be surprised if like a lot of little guys he becomes a premier AHL scorer who is unable to make the jump. Wouldn't write him off yet.

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Who is writing him off?

You've got it backwards. He's dominated at every level he's played at. What you should say is don't count your chickens before they hatch, or some other cliche.

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Who is writing him off?

You've got it backwards. He's dominated at every level he's played at. What you should say is don't count your chickens before they hatch, or some other cliche.
Well my post listed why I don't think he'll be a good player. So it was more about myself that despite what I think I'm not writing him off yet.

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It would be pretty cool to see another Philly area kid in the NHL. Hoping he makes it to the NHL.

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Dudes,

The guy is studying Communications whch is probably 90% female. He is likely a hero on campus. With that combination, I see no reason why he would graduate early.

But seriously, I see him as a Joey Mullen, the little guy that could. The one thing the Flames organization can not be accused of is rushing its prospects, so with that in mind, I'm going to say one more year in school for Johnny Hockey.

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Its funny looking back at what you people say about him. "He is too Small" "He won't make it" The kid is an absolute stud and his vision of the ice is fantastic. He WILL make it to the NHL it just depends on if he wants to graduate and become a free agent, or play for the flames in the next season. He is such a great piece of talent. Great steal for the Flames in the 4th round. If he got drafted the year after his freshman year at BC, first round talent in my mind, people just think because he is small he wont do it but look at Briere, or St Louis.

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flames should just take there time on this guy let him bulk up before he comes into the nhl. hes a great player but wouldnt mind him staying in college one more year after this season

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While he does not have the speed reach and poise of Teravainen he looks like he has good hands and puck skills , I'd say he is an AHL star and fringe NHL 3rd line winger, but not gritty enough to be succesful,kind of like Bochenksi was, maybe he plays overseas?

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While he does not have the speed reach and poise of Teravainen he looks like he has good hands and puck skills , I'd say he is an AHL star and fringe NHL 3rd line winger, but not gritty enough to be succesful,kind of like Bochenksi was, maybe he plays overseas?
Why are you bringing up Teravainen in this thread?

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While he does not have the speed reach and poise of Teravainen he looks like he has good hands and puck skills , I'd say he is an AHL star and fringe NHL 3rd line winger, but not gritty enough to be succesful,kind of like Bochenksi was, maybe he plays overseas?
Not the poise huh? Along with Nugent Hopkins he looked to be the coolest customer with the puck in the WJC despite playing alongside some pretty solid competition.

You show up in every Gaudreau thread and try to put him down. So far Gaudreau has shown elite puck skills, hockey sense, poise, vision, agility and finishing. The only thing holding him back is his first step and adding some core and leg strength and it remains to be seen if he is able to mature physically, but it's foolish to say he projects as AHL star or fringe NHL'er before seeing how he can develop physically.

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