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01-24-2013, 10:51 AM
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Agreed, 10M tied into goalies is going to hurt that team at some point, whether it comes through not being able to improve it or a nuclear situation with Luongo and Schneider.
Seriously. When the Panthers eventually trade for Lu, they will be doing Vancouver a huge favor. Wish the league would just stick Van with Lu and force them to deal with the cap implications or use a very expensive buy-out on him.

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01-24-2013, 10:57 AM
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No team should trade for Luongo but rather leave the Canucks strapped with his contract and wait and see if the Canucks buy him out at the end of this season and then go after him as a free agent and sign him on the cheap. Even if they don't buy him out, there will be plenty of goalies in FA to go after.
It'd be nice, but realistically, if you trade for Lu, you guarantee that he'll play for your team on a contract that you already know in and out.

If you try to sign him after he got bought out, you don't know if he'll even consider signing with you team, and even if does, what kind of contract demands he'll have. Someone could always beat you with a better offer too. Florida would have a harder time offering Luongo a fat contract than Chicago or Toronto would.

There's something to be said for playing it safe with star players. Trading for them is definitely safer than trying to sign them as a UFA.

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01-24-2013, 11:13 AM
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Cut out the attacks on certain posters ,, If you dont like that poster we have an ignore function (Use it)

Or just dont respond to them

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01-24-2013, 11:23 AM
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The realistic thing is how many good years does Lou have left. He is starting to flounder now. He is on the back end of his career and that atrocious contract of his is just not worth it as you either have to end up buying him out and be stuck with his salary against the cap or end up trying to re-trade him which will be pretty well impossible by then.

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01-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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Crawford has played well so far and should be decent enough in this shortened season and the Hawks should go after Bishop who would come cheap and could possibly be a stud goaltender for many years to come. Ottawa will definitely be moving him before too long.

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01-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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Cut out the attacks on certain posters ,, If you dont like that poster we have an ignore function (Use it)

Or just dont respond to them
I tried a search but found no help with the ignore function.
Can anyone enlighten me please?

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01-24-2013, 11:38 AM
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Again, would anyone be opposed to trading for Luongo and buying him out at the end of next season..

wouldnt be the worst thing for the team

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01-24-2013, 11:39 AM
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I tried a search but found no help with the ignore function.
Can anyone enlighten me please?
Click on their user name next to their post, above their avatar.

A menu will pop up. "Add to Ignore List" is right at the bottom of it.

You can remove posters from your ignore list later by going into your user settings.

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Again, would anyone be opposed to trading for Luongo and buying him out at the end of next season..

wouldnt be the worst thing for the team
That's absurd to expect Rocky Wirtz to do that.

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Again, would anyone be opposed to trading for Luongo and buying him out at the end of next season..

wouldnt be the worst thing for the team
You can't buy out players you acquire after the CBA was ratified

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01-24-2013, 11:47 AM
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You can remove posters from your ignore list later by going into your user settings.
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01-24-2013, 11:51 AM
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Again, would anyone be opposed to trading for Luongo and buying him out at the end of next season..

wouldnt be the worst thing for the team
If Rocky wants to pay the $22.5 million and they don't have to give up anything of value, then I might not be completely against it. That's only if CC goes back to playing like he did last year, though.

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Again, would anyone be opposed to trading for Luongo and buying him out at the end of next season..

wouldnt be the worst thing for the team
Rocky Wirtz aint gonna throw away that much money

It would be pure insanity

Acquiring Luongo and buying him out after next season would be comparable for Rocky as this


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01-24-2013, 12:45 PM
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Thanks!
I also just went ahead and did it, sick of wading through the feces.

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01-24-2013, 12:59 PM
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I also just went ahead and did it, sick of wading through the feces.
That kind of sums it up ... unpleasant.

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01-24-2013, 01:02 PM
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It all comes down to the asking price. For Montador, Emery & Frolik + they take on Cap Space - how could you say no to this this?

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01-24-2013, 01:05 PM
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It all comes down to the asking price. For Montador, Emery & Frolik + they take on Cap Space - how could you say no to this this?
Because his cap hit means they probably can't resign Bolland in a few years, can't extend other young players. He's not that good to take on that contract

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01-24-2013, 01:10 PM
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If Van takes some Cap Space, it would be worth it IMO. Every #1 Goalie will get money and a 3+ million Cap hit. Or you end up with the guy that can't stop Boeddker

Hell, I'm fine with giving Craw this year as chance. We will see soon enough if he is good enough for the job or not

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01-24-2013, 01:26 PM
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Too much money for a goaltender. They are all capable of running hot and cold. Hawks won a cup with Niemi. The Canucks never did with Luongo.

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What? You are just being ridiculous now. If you want to be an informed fan than sure the salary cap is important. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously then yes you have to consider the salary cap implications.

The Hawks were fortunate to win the Cup in 2010. No other way about it. There are no guarantees that spending $$ now and going for it all will win you a Cup now. If you can say that your team is already guaranteed to make the playoffs you can probably improve your chances from 1/16 to maybe double that. At best. The best recipe for continued success is drafting well, developing talent, picking your best spots to make trades and go after free agents. It is not stacking up on high-priced players now when you know they will be significant future dead weight.

Severely hampering your team's ability to contend in the future in order to go for it all for a 1 or 2 year window is a recipe for failure.
I think this post severely overestimates the amount of variance in hockey playoffs. This isn't baseball. Despite having a 16-team playoff, the sport has seen frequent repeat winners.

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I think this post severely overestimates the amount of variance in hockey playoffs. This isn't baseball. Despite having a 16-team playoff, the sport has seen frequent repeat winners.
0 repeat winners since the salary cap fundamentally changed the sport.

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01-24-2013, 02:44 PM
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It doesn't apply to this team though. Nobody has our top end talent, nobody has our fire power, and all so young and signed. This is a team that should win a couple more Cups if they stay together. Same can be said for Pittsburgh but I wouldn't trade rosters with them, like the Hawks setup better.

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It's just not an easy situation. Having the chance to get a good goalie like Luongo does not come every year. Having a cheap Crawford who can be good enough but needs to play more to see what goalie you have in him... it's just too early to tell with him

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Luongo probably won't fetch a star or multiple firsts but he certainly will return more than scraps like Emery and Frolik. With Kesler and Booth out long term Vancouver has no incentive to trade for dumps and spare parts. I understand choosing to stick with Crawford, but these packages are completely unrealistic. I guess this sort of dispute will be settled for good once the trade takes place, which is one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to it.

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Luongo probably won't fetch a star or multiple firsts but he certainly will return more than scraps like Emery and Frolik. With Kesler and Booth out long term Vancouver has no incentive to trade for dumps and spare parts. I understand choosing to stick with Crawford, but these packages are completely unrealistic. I guess this sort of dispute will be settled for good once the trade takes place, which is one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to it.
Everyone would like Luongo saga to end

From Toronto , To Chicago , To Florida , etc

Will be interesting to see what the package turns out to be that Nucks acquire

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