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Ottawa Will Look to Move Ben Bishop

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01-24-2013, 12:13 PM
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I was just trying to appeal to some people here

I really think the only team that really "wants" him is Calgary. Edmonton I would think would go after Luongo or just wait until FA. Columbus seems happy with their netminders for now.
I'm not convinced Calgary would want him that badly.

They have quite a few young goaltending prospects - Gillies, Brossoit, Ortio - none is proven, but then neither is Bishop really. They also have Ramo likely coming over from the KHL next year.

They could use Bishop this year, but given that Kiprusoff will almost certainly play at least 70% of the games, how much would they want to give up? My guess is not much.

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01-24-2013, 12:13 PM
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anderson cut his hand slicing frozen chicken after a game last spring.

we were a playoff team, couldnt risk just going with lehner (who was struggling in the AHL at the time).

Bishop ended up playing 10 games at .500, which was all we needed to bridge the gap and sneak in as the 8 seed last year.
LOL, but that is way more acceptable and manly then throwing your back out eating pancakes

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01-24-2013, 12:14 PM
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Look at what I just posted.

It's pointless getting Ben Bishop if you can ride a shortened season and possibly get a franchise goaltender in Holtby or Neuvirth. Plus any team that is trying to fill a goaltender hole and is close to the playoffs is going for Luongo.

Toronto is another mention but in my mind they would be better waiting. Especially now with Lupul's concerns, they can't really afford to plug in a young goaltender and slaughter his career.
It's also silly to throw in the towel right now and not try to improve your club in a shortened season. Weird stuff happens in this kind of season, no GM is gonna sit there and wait for a lottery pick and cross his fingers that he can grab a goalie in the off-season.

As I said, that's not a real GMs mentality, that's an HF board mentality.

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01-24-2013, 12:15 PM
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What the hell has Ben Bishop ever done to warrant a Cody Franson.

Come on now.
Is this the same Cody Franson that was traded for Brett Lebda and then struggled to make the roster on one of the worst teams in the league last year?

Franson's value is probably about a 2nd round pick, definitely not a 1st.

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01-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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In all fairness, nobody is old enough to remember the TO/OTT playoff rivalry.
I am, lol

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01-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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I meant another young goaltender, they are already slaughtering those guys' careers

They need a vet and to build Reimer/Schrivens/Someone else
So is ben bishop the vet?????we already have owuya and jussi in the ahl Dont need anymore goalies especialy when your offering up franson and kostka

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01-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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Is this the same Cody Franson that was traded for Brett Lebda and then struggled to make the roster on one of the worst teams in the league last year?

Franson's value is probably about a 2nd round pick, definitely not a 1st.
The same could be said for Ben Bishop

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01-24-2013, 12:21 PM
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hehe, are we spending time talking about a potential Bishop for Fransson trade?

Somewhere out there aliens would sit and scratch their heads, why are these people so obsessed with these two worthless hockey players?

The Rangers traded Kolarik for Ferriero a couple of hrs ago. #morenewsworthy

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01-24-2013, 12:38 PM
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I am, lol
Ya...sadly, me too.

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01-24-2013, 12:39 PM
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Could be the long-term solution for Chicago?

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01-24-2013, 12:43 PM
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Look at what I just posted.

It's pointless getting Ben Bishop if you can ride a shortened season and possibly get a franchise goaltender in Holtby or Neuvirth. Plus any team that is trying to fill a goaltender hole and is close to the playoffs is going for Luongo.

Toronto is another mention but in my mind they would be better waiting. Especially now with Lupul's concerns, they can't really afford to plug in a young goaltender and slaughter his career.
Washington has some garbage management if they are letting a franchise goalie walk because they want a veteran back up.

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Could be the long-term solution for Chicago?
Crawford isn't? Bishop won't be MUCH better if he is at all.

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01-24-2013, 12:44 PM
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Crawford is a big ?

If he plays like 2010/11 then Hawks are fine ,, If he plays like last year Hawks are screwed

So far he looks ok (But only 2 games in)

Emery on other hand is brutal and because of his hip he has terrible post to post reaction. Getting rid of Emery and bringing in a guy to actually platoon with Crawford who might have #1 potential is best case situation

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01-24-2013, 12:48 PM
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Crawford is a big ?

If he plays like 2010/11 then Hawks are fine ,, If he plays like last year Hawks are screwed

So far he looks ok (But only 2 games in)

Emery on other hand is brutal and because of his hip he has terrible post to post reaction. Getting rid of Emery and bringing in a guy to actually platoon with Crawford who might have #1 potential is best case situation
Replacing Crawford with a starter that isn't a 'career backup' caliber goaltender is the best scenario. But yeah, your scenario comes in 2nd.

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01-24-2013, 12:50 PM
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No thanks! 7+ million for a guy who doesn't even know what the playoffs look like = way too big a risk.
Personally i think its a great gamble.
Do Weircoch, Methot, or Benoit know what NHL playoffs look like?
also keep in mind as much as i want to win the cup its not like we favorites heading into this year, we are a good up and coming team that is still a fun underdog that may do damage.

JB's salary is for this year and next and frankly we may need him to hit the salary floor next year

its a one and a half year gamble where perhaps we end up with a very useful player that we resign for significantly less than his current contract.

I dont really see any downside to this other than spending Melnyk's money.

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01-24-2013, 12:53 PM
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Personally i think its a great gamble.
JBo for Bishop would be pretty swell. It'd take much more though (even if his contract is poor).

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01-24-2013, 01:02 PM
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The same could be said for Ben Bishop
Right, so you agree that Bishop has roughly the same value as Franson.

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Right, so you agree that Bishop has roughly the same value as Franson.
I actually do agree. Problem is, Bishop isn't what we are looking for in a goalie.

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01-24-2013, 01:07 PM
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Nor is Franson what we need in a D-man, so it's a lose lose here.

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Lindback > Bishop
Lindback was traded for a 2-2nd's and a 3rd

Bobrovsky > Bishop
Bobrovsky was traded for 2 4th round picks and a 2nd round pick

Foligno was traded for Methot (who isn't a top 4 Dman)
So do you guys think Bishop > Foligno?


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Right, so you agree that Bishop has roughly the same value as Franson.
basiclly,but i give the edge to franson

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01-24-2013, 01:22 PM
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Foligno was traded for Methot (who isn't a top 4 Dman)
Thank goodness he's more than a top 4 Dman. If you have another Methot, we'd add to Bishop to get him.

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01-24-2013, 01:27 PM
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I actually do agree. Problem is, Bishop isn't what we are looking for in a goalie.
Yes I agree, as I said before, I don't think he's a real upgrade over what you have now. Good thing Franson isn't what we're looking for either.

We want a top 4 defenseman, I'm content with letting Wiercioch play as our #5-6 so no need for Franson.

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Lindback > Bishop
Lindback was traded for a 2-2nd's and a 3rd

Bobrovsky > Bishop
Bobrovsky was traded for 2 4th round picks and a 2nd round pick

Foligno was traded for Methot (who isn't a top 4 Dman)
So do you guys think Bishop > Foligno?

If we can get anything similar to what those goalies got back I'll be completely fine with that but I don't see the corelation between the Foligno-Methot trade and the other two deals. I don't get it. What's your point?

And I'm not even going to waste time on the Methot isn't a top 4 Dman comment.

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