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01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
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Nick Kypreos was discussing Marian Gaborik. He made a comment about the Rangers looking/thinking to move him. If Gaby plays like last night,the Rangers won't be thinking about moving him.
Thinking about moving him now? Over the summer I can understand, but now? That would be.. surprising.

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I find Gaborik trade talk to be ludicrous.
He could score 25 goals in this shortened season and if I were the Rangers I would still explore the trade market for him. I love him, but if he won't re-sign before UFA and wants too long of a contract I say pass. Get some solid assets back and roll with what they have next season.

I know, blasphemy after his hat trick. I have been saying this for over a year though.

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Thinking about moving him now? Over the summer I can understand, but now? That would be.. surprising.
He made a comment about the Rangers making moves to eventually move Gaborik out. I think he was alluding to acquiring Nash.

Kyper also said Dan Blysma might be on outs in Pitt. Management didn't like the Philly series last season. He has been there a while. There may be some friction between the coach and the players. Something to watch as the season progresses. The season is six days old.

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01-24-2013, 12:06 PM
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He made a comment about the Rangers making moves to eventually move Gaborik out. I think he was alluding to acquiring Nash.

Kyper also said Dan Blysma might be on outs in Pitt. Management didn't like the Philly series last season. He has been there a while. There may be some friction between the coach and the players. Something to watch as the season progresses. The season is six days old.
I can agree with Kyper on that. I think adding Nash wasn't just an upgrade to boost our cup chances, but also as the likely replacement for Gaborik moving forward. Depends on the numbers, but I really think Gabby is going to be a cap casualty this summer.

I like Bylsma, but he's overrated, IMO. Had Therrien not laid that foundation of a disciplined two-way game, he wouldn't have led that team to the cup that year. Now that he's firmly entrenched his system on them now, you can see the holes start to appear each season. The team is a trainwreck defensively most nights.

Also, Bylsma is a really nice guy. He's not an authoritative presence, IMO. With so much ego on that team, I think they need a hardass to kick them into gear.

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01-24-2013, 12:07 PM
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He made a comment about the Rangers making moves to eventually move Gaborik out. I think he was alluding to acquiring Nash.

Kyper also said Dan Blysma might be on outs in Pitt. Management didn't like the Philly series last season. He has been there a while. There may be some friction between the coach and the players. Something to watch as the season progresses. The season is six days old.
If the Pens let Bylsma go I would imagine there would be a long list of teams inquiring. I like him a lot.

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I really wonder what players will be bought out this upcoming off-season. There may be a fairly large number of UFA's available. Not sure what the market would be for Gaborik.

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I can agree with Kyper on that. I think adding Nash wasn't just an upgrade to boost our cup chances, but also as the likely replacement for Gaborik moving forward. Depends on the numbers, but I really think Gabby is going to be a cap casualty this summer.

I like Bylsma, but he's overrated, IMO. Had Therrien not laid that foundation of a disciplined two-way game, he wouldn't have led that team to the cup that year. Now that he's firmly entrenched his system on them now, you can see the holes start to appear each season. The team is a trainwreck defensively most nights.

Also, Bylsma is a really nice guy. He's not an authoritative presence, IMO. With so much ego on that team, I think they need a hardass to kick them into gear.
I thought with the 64,3 million cap, the general consensus was that it will work. Surely MDZ's new contract can only have helped that.

If we can keep this team under the cap, then you simply don't trade Gaborik.

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ZERO interest in moving Gaborik. ZERO.

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ZERO interest in moving Gaborik. ZERO.
Yeah, the Rangers sole goal should be to ice the team that gives them the best chance of winning the Cup next season.

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01-24-2013, 12:48 PM
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I thought with the 64,3 million cap, the general consensus was that it will work. Surely MDZ's new contract can only have helped that.

If we can keep this team under the cap, then you simply don't trade Gaborik.
It very well could. A lot depends on how well McDonagh performs this year.

I'm not in favor of trading Gaborik unless it's an absolute necessity.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414354

TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, speaking during The Quiz on the NHL on TSN on Wednesday night, was asked if the Canadiens will eventually sign or trade their prized rearguard.

"I think it's ultimately heading toward a trade," said McKenzie. "They're just too far apart on the term of the contract - P.K. wants long, the Canadiens want two years - and they're probably at least $2.5 to $3 million per year apart on where they want to be. Ultimately I think this ends up in a trade."

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It starts at 12 minutes. Gaborik talk. For the last year,Rangers have been figuring out ways to unload him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey_central_at_noon/

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TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, speaking during The Quiz on the NHL on TSN on Wednesday night, was asked if the Canadiens will eventually sign or trade their prized rearguard.

"I think it's ultimately heading toward a trade," said McKenzie. "They're just too far apart on the term of the contract - P.K. wants long, the Canadiens want two years - and they're probably at least $2.5 to $3 million per year apart on where they want to be. Ultimately I think this ends up in a trade."
Can't wait to see the sucker that pays him what he's asking.

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Gaborik, Nash, Richards and Lundqvist will most likely not be moved, if we are to be a legit contender next season, we need to keep them or get equal/better player back. And for Gaborik, I can't see us get fair value when he is upcoming UFA.

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It starts at 12 minutes. Gaborik talk. For the last year,Rangers have been figuring out ways to unload him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey_central_at_noon/

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Kypreos is talking out of his ass. In that clip, he's suggesting that Gaborik hasn't been doing well on the Rangers and he has to play the way he did last night to convince the Rangers he should stay. He scored 41 goals last year and scored an important overtime winner in the playoffs, while being injured.

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Gaborik, Nash, Richards and Lundqvist will most likely not be moved, if we are to be a legit contender next season, we need to keep them or get equal/better player back. And for Gaborik, I can't see us get fair value when he is upcoming UFA.
If those 4 are kept, and nearly everyone wants them to be, its going to be a tight fit.

The Rangers need to depend on a lot of cheap, young options being ready to come up to the NHL level - and judging by the current Kreider misadventure, that can be a bumpy ride.

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Kypreos is talking out of his ass. In that clip, he's suggesting that Gaborik hasn't been doing well on the Rangers and he has to play the way he did last night to convince the Rangers he should stay. He scored 41 goals last year and scored an important overtime winner in the playoffs, while being injured.
Yup. All he did was lead the team in goals and was 3rd in the league. If that's not living up to expectations, then I don't know what the expectations could possibly have been.

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TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, speaking during The Quiz on the NHL on TSN on Wednesday night, was asked if the Canadiens will eventually sign or trade their prized rearguard.

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$2.5 to $3 million apart? Either Montreal is completely stupid an lowballing Subban big time, or Subban is overrating himself incredibly. Let's take a long term deal. With those numbers, either Montreal must be offering only around 3 million, or Subban wants 7+. Either way it would be ridiculously stupid.

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Yup. All he did was lead the team in goals and was 3rd in the league. If that's not living up to expectations, then I don't know what the expectations could possibly have been.
True dat. And did you hear all the other morons agree with Kyper when he says that his play has not met expectations? Getting on the bandwagon much?

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Can't score goals... Trade leading goal-scorer.

Makes sense.

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$2.5 to $3 million apart? Either Montreal is completely stupid an lowballing Subban big time, or Subban is overrating himself incredibly. Let's take a long term deal. With those numbers, either Montreal must be offering only around 3 million, or Subban wants 7+. Either way it would be ridiculously stupid.
That I think he should get it either way but... you just turned 2.5-3 into 4+.

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That I think he should get it either way but... you just turned 2.5-3 into 4+.
Not really. The difference between 3.5 and 6.5 is 3 million. So, assuming that difference, either Montreal is offering less than 3.5 (" around 3 million"), or Subban wants more than 6.5 ("7+"). It wasn't quite exact, but either way that's a huge gap.

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Not really. The difference between 3.5 and 6.5 is 3 million. So, assuming that difference, either Montreal is offering less than 3.5 (" around 3 million"), or Subban wants more than 6.5 ("7+"). It wasn't quite exact, but either way that's a huge gap.
Or they're offering 3M and Subban want's 5.5M. Just saying. Where you come up with 7M+ I'm not sure. I also doubt there as far apart as reported and that it's just posturing to try and get one side to budge, but that's a different story.

Saying they're between 2.5-3 apart, I don't see how you come up with 7M+ unless you think Montreal is already offering 4.5M and Subban is still saying no way.

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Or they're offering 3M and Subban want's 5.5M. Just saying. Where you come up with 7M+ I'm not sure. I also doubt there as far apart as reported and that it's just posturing to try and get one side to budge, but that's a different story.

Saying they're between 2.5-3 apart, I don't see how you come up with 7M+ unless you think Montreal is already offering 4.5M and Subban is still saying no way.
If you want, change the numbers to 3.5 and 6.5. It's still ridiculous if Montreal is offering only 3.5 million for a long term deal or if Subban thinks he should get 6.5+.

Such a gap is OK at the start of negotiations, but now we're a week into the season.

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Well, like I said, I doubt those are the actual numbers. Where does that info come from? One side leaking it to get the other side to budge a little, most likely. But you keep insisting on going to the maximum of the range as well and using the full 3M gap.

What if MTL thinks Subban should sign for 2 years at 2.8M because he's comparable but slightly better than MDZ? And Subban wants 5-6 years at 5.3M? Montreal is still low balling a bit and Subban is still overvaluing himself, but neither is actually THAT outrageous. In 2+ years Subban will, in all likelihood, be worth 5M. If he wants term, he's still asking for too much, but it's not INSANE like 6.5-7M would be. And if MTL thinks his second contract should be more in line with MDZ that's also probably a low ball, but also not insane for them to be thinking that way.

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