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01-24-2013, 12:50 PM
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Emergence of Other Offensive D-man and Erik Karlsson

Ekman-Larsson, Kulikov, Schultz... Poor man Karlssons? Or does anybody else stand a chance at accomplishing what our KK65 has?

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well, florida tried acquiring karlsson's d-partner in hopes that it would turn kulikov into karlsson. So far, it hasnt worked.

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well, florida tried acquiring karlsson's d-partner in hopes that it would turn kulikov into karlsson. So far, it hasnt worked.
Pretty sure he's paired with Campbell.

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True, although the sample size of the pair in 2 games has been revealing, it will be interesting to see how Florida handle's the development of their recent draft acquisitions, the Russian factor has already made an appearance in his career early this season as well.

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Until Karlsson retires I doubt we see a player who can skate with the puck like he can, he's a generational talent and could be the best player in the NHL and he is only getting better.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wins the Norris and Hart this year.

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01-24-2013, 01:18 PM
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None of those guys are ever gonna play the style erik can. And that style is why the dynamic of the game swings in our favour, in general, when he's on the ice.

Could they be better players? Maybe. But certainly never the same unique style karlsson can play.

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Before Karlsson, there was Mike Green, who averaged over a point a game in back-to-back seasons (73 points in 68 games in 2008-09 and 76 points in 75 games in 2009-10), but injuries have really set him back the past 3 years.

Brian Campbell and Dan Boyle were also very good offensive defencemen in their primes.

Even today, there are players like Kris Letang, Alex Pietrangelo, Kevin Shattenkirk, Alex Edler, and many more who are excellent offensive defencemen. Letang is actually very similar to Karlsson.

And of course, we can go much further back to look at offensive defenceman.

In short, it's not like these are trying to find another Karlsson because teams have always looked to develop or acquire defencemen that can move the puck and produce offence.

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Before Karlsson, there was Mike Green, who averaged over a point a game in back-to-back seasons (73 points in 68 games in 2008-09 and 76 points in 75 games in 2009-10), but injuries have really set him back the past 3 years.

Brian Campbell and Dan Boyle were also very good offensive defencemen in their primes.

Even today, there are players like Kris Letang, Alex Pietrangelo, Kevin Shattenkirk, Alex Edler, and many more who are excellent offensive defencemen. Letang is actually very similar to Karlsson.

And of course, we can go much further back to look at offensive defenceman.

In short, it's not like these are trying to find another Karlsson because teams have always looked to develop or acquire defencemen that can move the puck and produce offence.
Letang doesn't and cant play rover. Karlsson does.

It's not gonna be easy finding another player that can roam the ice with wreckers abandon while knowing he can beat everyone back to the defensive end. In game 1 I saw him accept a handful of breakout passes, in game two I saw him in a short handed breakaway. Any other dman try this and thy get burned more than they help the team. Karlsson gets away with it, and he's the only one that can ride that line.

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Letang does play a rover position similar to Karlsson. He's not exactly the same type of player like Karlsson, but the two are more similar IMO.

Also, the main point of my post was that the idea of other teams trying to find another Erik Karlsson was short-sighted because NHL clubs have been searching for offensive defencemen for decades. Teams aren't specifically looking for the next Karlsson, just someone who can be a #1 defenceman and contribute offensively. If OEL becomes the next Lidstrom and Shattenkirk the next Bourque, I'm sure Phoenix and Colorado, respectively, wouldn't be complaining.

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Letang does play a rover position similar to Karlsson. He's not exactly the same type of player like Karlsson, but the two are more similar IMO.

Also, the main point of my post was that the idea of other teams trying to find another Erik Karlsson was short-sighted because NHL clubs have been searching for offensive defencemen for decades. Teams aren't specifically looking for the next Karlsson, just someone who can be a #1 defenceman and contribute offensively. If OEL becomes the next Lidstrom and Shattenkirk the next Bourque, I'm sure Phoenix and Colorado, respectively, wouldn't be complaining.
Best offensive Dman after Karlsson is probably Piterangelo - best all round for offence, toughness and leadership is probably Doughty.

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Until Karlsson retires I doubt we see a player who can skate with the puck like he can, he's a generational talent and could be the best player in the NHL and he is only getting better.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wins the Norris and Hart this year.
That is pretty lofty praise, but I think that you might be right.

We are not very far away from having a legitimate claim to having the best player in the NHL.

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Letang does play a rover position similar to Karlsson. He's not exactly the same type of player like Karlsson, but the two are more similar IMO.

Also, the main point of my post was that the idea of other teams trying to find another Erik Karlsson was short-sighted because NHL clubs have been searching for offensive defencemen for decades. Teams aren't specifically looking for the next Karlsson, just someone who can be a #1 defenceman and contribute offensively. If OEL becomes the next Lidstrom and Shattenkirk the next Bourque, I'm sure Phoenix and Colorado, respectively, wouldn't be complaining.
There's a line I could draw between the two. There's a similarity, small, skate well, offensively created and well rounded. But there's an extreme rover style that karlsson gets away with that letang can't. And there's a noticeable difference between the affect karlsson has when he steps on the ice, and what happens when letang does. And although Sid and Malkin have something to do with that, it'd still be noticeable if you swapped the, teams is.

My point is, karlsson does it at a level no one else can get away with. And it's the reason were always on offence when he's on the ice. He can cover 180 feet with a pass at any time, or can do it by himself on any given rush. No one as dangerous...by a margin.

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We are witnessing greatness. Enjoy it.

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We are witnessing greatness. Enjoy it.
This. We are watching a generational talent. Murray might pretend that he knew all along but there is no way anyone expected him to be this good. Otherwise he would have been in the Top 3 of the draft.

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This. We are watching a generational talent. Murray might pretend that he knew all along but there is no way anyone expected him to be this good. Otherwise he would have been in the Top 3 of the draft.
It's possible that we had an inkling.

I personally didn't expect it -- but there's a reason we took him when he was on very few teams' radar.

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Murray will always be remembered for the Karlsson pick, and for getting Getzlaf & Perry in the same draft of course.

I do remember hearing that it was Anders Forsberg that all but forced Murray to take Karlsson, and that the original plan was to draft Colborne.

Don't know how true it is though.

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Sorry, doesn't PK, no good. Bad things happen on PK
Gap last year between Karlsson and other offensive Dmen was the same as the gap between offensive Dmen and defensive Dmen. That's pretty remarkable.

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The only defenseman I've seen in person with that same beautiful stride and first step speed is Mathew Dumba. Now, he was doing laps around WHL players whereas Karlsson is doing laps around NHL players, but I definitely think the ability is there. I think we'll be seeing a lot more defensemen in junior leagues trying to emulate Karlsson's style.

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Sorry, doesn't PK, no good. Bad things happen on PK
Gap last year between Karlsson and other offensive Dmen was the same as the gap between offensive Dmen and defensive Dmen. That's pretty remarkable.
Game 1: 3:03 on the PK
Game 2: 2:56 on the PK

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Won't be a popular answer here but Pietrangelo definitely stands a chance.

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Won't be a popular answer here but Pietrangelo definitely stands a chance.
I heard he was already better then him.

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Sorry, doesn't PK, no good. Bad things happen on PK
Gap last year between Karlsson and other offensive Dmen was the same as the gap between offensive Dmen and defensive Dmen. That's pretty remarkable.
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Game 1: 3:03 on the PK
Game 2: 2:56 on the PK
Sarcasm John.

So wish he ha potted that self-created break away. Could have used it forever on the main board when people claim he can't PK.

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Won't be a popular answer here but Pietrangelo definitely stands a chance.
I think that Pie and Karlsson will be the elite defenders of the league in a few years. But Pie will be more defensive, and Karlsson will be more offensive. Both will be great on both sides of the ice though

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I dunno about generational talent but hes definitely an ultra platypus plutonium elite talent.

The only thing holding him back is his defensive consistency.

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