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01-24-2013, 02:57 PM
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If PK was worth what he was asking for, wouldn't another team have signed him, and given up the draft picks for him (like the leafs did for Kessel)?

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Why do people keep saying this ??? He will NOT be traded !

MB has said it opnely, besides if he does trade Molson's best PR player...he is FIRED!

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McDo is absolutely not a #1 D-man. Is he a great complement to a first pairing. Sure - though I'd argue 'good' rather than 'great' at this point.
A brilliant throw-away by Bob Gainey.

Can't wait to see what scraps we get for PK Subban.

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Unless you are a good Canadian white kid or Scandinavian... you are a non-team player with attitude problems.
Has everyone forgotten about how Yakupov played at the JR tourney even Bobby Mac made a comment about Yak wanting to be the team not part of the team. In their game agaisnt San Jose the other night the Oil were pressed in their own end on a few occasions and Yakupov was circling the redline waiting for a pass.

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01-24-2013, 02:59 PM
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If PK was worth what he was asking for, wouldn't another team have signed him, and given up the draft picks for him (like the leafs did for Kessel)?

Do you mean wouldn't another team tender him an offer sheet?

It may have happened, all we know is that he hasn't signed one yet.

He would have to agree to the offer sheet, and Montreal would have to -not- match it.

It's really not a valid argument against his worth to be honest.

And the Leafs traded for Kessel, they didn't offer sheet him. They threatened the offer sheet though, if that's what you are referencing.

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01-24-2013, 03:01 PM
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A brilliant throw-away by Bob Gainey.

Can't wait to see what scraps we get for PK Subban.
I would like to give Bergevin the benefit of the doubt this early on, I don't think he is as brain-dead as Gainey.

No one knows how much Subban is asking for and if it is over 5 million it is way too much.

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Has everyone forgotten about how Yakupov played at the JR tourney even Bobby Mac made a comment about Yak wanting to be the team not part of the team. In their game agaisnt San Jose the other night the Oil were pressed in their own end on a few occasions and Yakupov was circling the redline waiting for a pass.

I don't remember MacKenzie ever making a comment of the sort. He praised him a lot, but I don't remember him saying Yakupov doesn't want to be part of the team.

As for him against SJ, well, he's an offensive player and a rookie playing his second game. I don't think that is proof that he isn't a team player TBH.

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01-24-2013, 03:01 PM
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Has everyone forgotten about how Yakupov played at the JR tourney even Bobby Mac made a comment about Yak wanting to be the team not part of the team. In their game agaisnt San Jose the other night the Oil were pressed in their own end on a few occasions and Yakupov was circling the redline waiting for a pass.
well if bobby m made a Comment , yaks career is doomed, along with the rest of the ruskies

and terrible plays by Yak, how could he not adapt to the NHL in two games. bust.

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01-24-2013, 03:02 PM
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Why do people keep saying this ??? He will NOT be traded !

MB has said it opnely, besides if he does trade Molson's best PR player...he is FIRED!
Given the situation, I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that there are other GMs who place a much higher value on Subban than Bergevin does. Unfortunately. Therefore, a trade may be possible.

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Why do people keep saying this ??? He will NOT be traded !

MB has said it opnely, besides if he does trade Molson's best PR player...he is FIRED!
So you believe everything that people say? Paul Holmgren said that Richards and Carter weren't going anywhere... Look what happened. It's a business. And do you sincerely believe that Bergevin would trade Subban without discussing it with Molson first?

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OMG I am so sick of athletes that want it all. PK is a good player, he is not a great one and taking a 2 year bridge deal sends a message to the team and fans that he will do whats best for the future of the team. I am so sick of this,take the deal and just shut up and play.
Can you name me an athlete, let a alone a human being...who doesn't want it all?

Who here wants to be paid LESS than what they think they're worth, IF they had a choice in the matter?

Ridiculous...

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You'd know if you had seen him play, kiddo.
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Way to respect one of the Habs best defensive forward and dedicated captain. Now you want Subban to get respect.
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He was a great captain. One of our best captains in a long time.

That being said, he was a mediocre (voir: bad) coach, and isn't a great analyst.

I don't dig the shot at him for being a captain though. He wore his heart on a sleeve for Montreal and worked his butt off every shift.

Tsé, veut dire.....what I meant is that he's a very bad communicator. Now back to PK

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McDonagh is not an established number 1 dman.
Neither is PK

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I would like to give Bergevin the benefit of the doubt this early on, I don't think he is as brain-dead as Gainey.

No one knows how much Subban is asking for and if it is over 5 million it is way too much.
This is classic Habs. They finally get some talented young building blocks and at the first sign of resistance to their "model" which every one must blatantly abide by, they dish them off for well under market value, or lose them for absolutely nothing, and toil in mediocrity for another 5 years.

Honestly, I would quit if I was Timmins. Consistently finding talent only to watch them perform for other teams.

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01-24-2013, 03:04 PM
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Can you name me an athlete, let a alone a human being...who doesn't want it all?

Who here wants to be paid LESS than what they think they're worth, IF they had a choice in the matter?

Ridiculous...
Robert Rice said it perfectly on twitter.

Gorges signed for $4M. Markov asked for 5.75M after two ACL surgeries. Price is at 6.5M. Every player is looking to get paid.

These guys for the most part, play hockey because they love it, but they also really, really like the money that comes with it.

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If PK was worth what he was asking for, wouldn't another team have signed him, and given up the draft picks for him (like the leafs did for Kessel)?
He's a RFA

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Can you name me an athlete, let a alone a human being...who doesn't want it all?

Who here wants to be paid LESS than what they think they're worth, IF they had a choice in the matter?

Ridiculous...
I assume you've never heard of the term "hometown discount"?

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If PK was worth what he was asking for, wouldn't another team have signed him, and given up the draft picks for him (like the leafs did for Kessel)?
An offer sheet doesn't become public unless the player chooses to sign it. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

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He's a RFA
I think he meant signed him to an offer sheet.

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I assume you've never heard of the term "hometown discount"?
It's great when athletes chose to give a hometown discount. However the reality is they absolutely do not have to, and most don't.

It shouldn't be a knock against PK if he doesn't. We don't really know what he's asking for though, so it's impossible to judge.

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To answer, no it will not happen...PK is too big of a marketing tool. He is here to stay.

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Can you name me an athlete, let a alone a human being...who doesn't want it all?

Who here wants to be paid LESS than what they think they're worth, IF they had a choice in the matter?

Ridiculous...
There are a bunch of athletes who didn't get the contract they wished for and decide to accept a lesser offer and play. Gorges was one, just last year.

This debate is again going to the extremes, either PK's God and MB an idiot or PK's a greeddy mofo and we'd be better off without him.

Is it possible that the truth lies between ???

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So you believe everything that people say? Paul Holmgren said that Richards and Carter weren't going anywhere... Look what happened. It's a business. And do you sincerely believe that Bergevin would trade Subban without discussing it with Molson first?
pretty much this. if a trade is beneficial, MB will pull the trigger i think.
But i doubt this extremely rookie management has full autonomy over hockey affairs.
With the amount invested in the HABS, and the number of investors, pretty sure Molson is surrounded by all kinds of knowledgeable advisers, who watch every move MB is and will be making until the new owners feel comfortable with giving full autonomy to this (or next) management group.

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lol, good tweet:

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I'm still upset Sam Pollock didn't trade Ken Dryden in 1973 when Dryden held out an entire season asking for fair market value. #habs

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To answer, no it will not happen...PK is too big of a marketing tool. He is here to stay.
I really hope that he is here to stay. But I also really hope that is not how the Canadiens make personnel decisions.

Also, as bad as I think this trade would be for the on-ice team, wouldn't Couturier be considered just as much of a "marketing tool"?

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