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01-24-2013, 03:57 PM
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Change Yandle to OEL and this. Otherwise its RoR, Elliot and a 2nd for Hanzal and Yandle
Not a chance from this Phoenix fan.

While RoR has more upside Hanzal > RoR

Yandle >>Elliot and a 2nd

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01-24-2013, 04:00 PM
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Caps should just offer sheet him.

He's what GMGM for some reason thought Laich is.

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01-24-2013, 04:01 PM
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Not a chance from this Phoenix fan.

While RoR has more upside Hanzal > RoR

Yandle >>Elliot and a 2nd
ROR > Hanzal
Elliott & 2nd < Yandle

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01-24-2013, 04:01 PM
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I don't think we are interested in Olver; I'm not familiar enough about Pickard or Sgarbossa to make an informed comment....
Sgarbossa won the OHL scoring race last year (102P) and has put up 32 points (14G 18A) in 36 GP as a 1st year Pro in the AHL. Pickard is also a 1st year Pro in the AHL :

Calvin Pickard 11W 9L 1SOL 3SO 62GA 2.78GA 0.912SV%

CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: 2011-12:Made professional debut in a relief appearance, stopping all eight shots he faced in a 4-0 Monsters loss, 3/31/12 @ TEX… Earned victory in first professional start, stopping 25 of 29 shots in a Monsters 8-4 win 4/1/12 @ TEX… Joined Monsters on 3/21/12 after completing four-year major junior career with the Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)… In final season in Seattle, became WHL’s all-time leader in saves (7,727) and minutes played (14,025)… Led WHL in minutes played (3,630) and tied for the league lead in games played among goalies (64)… Led WHL in saves (2,085) and shots against (2,302)... 2010-11: Named to WHL Western Conference Second All-Star Team… Led WHL goalies in minutes played (4,013) and games played (68), as well as saves (2,443) and shots against (2,668)… tied for third in the WHL with a .916 save percentage… 2009-10: Named to WHL Western Conference First All-Star Team… Led WHL goalies in minutes played (3,668) and games played (62), saves (2,017) and shots against (2,207), and finished 6th in save percentage (.914)… 2008-09: In first major junior season, backstopped Seattle to a WHL playoff appearance, where he posted a .915 save percentage in five playoff contests…


I don't see Phoenix trading both Yandle & Hanzal, IMO. Mostly being sarcastic with this... Also hard to imagine Colorado parting with Sgarbossa after such a successful and early seamless transition to the pro ranks. Our forward prospects are really thin... We are strong in Goaltending prospect depth and Defense prospect depth.

Oh... Sgarbossa plays both LW and Center as well.


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01-24-2013, 04:02 PM
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Going by the RFA compensation table

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

I would give ROR a deal for around $5M if he signs for 6+ years personally.

I would give up a 1st and 3rd for him.

Colorado can decide what they want to do with him after that.

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01-24-2013, 04:03 PM
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I know this will never happen but in my dream it is real

To Avs:

Luongo
Raymond

To Dal:
R. O'Rielly
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To Van:
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sigh... only if.

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01-24-2013, 04:06 PM
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I know this will never happen but in my dream it is real

To Avs:

Luongo
Raymond

To Dal:
R. O'Rielly
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To Van:
Jamie Benn



sigh... only if.
Avs don't need Luongo. We're happy with Varlamov, and we have Aittokallio and Pickard in the pipeline. Giguere should be fine as Varly's backup until one of the other 2 are ready to backup.

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01-24-2013, 04:07 PM
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O'Reilly + Olver/Pickard + Sgarbossa + 1st for Yandle & Hanzal, that could benefit both teams.
I wouldn't trade either of those pieces straight up for that package, which should let you know how far off base you are. Why would you even offer Pickard to a team with 3 solid goalie prospects working their way through the system? Videogame trade.

And I don't care if people think OEL is "overrated". I'll take his 25 minutes a night @ 21 and be happy.

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01-24-2013, 04:08 PM
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I wouldn't trade either of those pieces straight up for that package, which should let you know how far off base you are. Why would you even offer Pickard to a team with 3 solid goalie prospects working their way through the system? Videogame trade.

And I don't care if people think OEL is "overrated". I'll take his 25 minutes a night @ 21 and be happy.
LOL

Try reading the entire conversation before word vomiting.

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01-24-2013, 04:10 PM
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Son of a ***** I just got done dropping him in all of my fantasy leagues

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01-24-2013, 04:12 PM
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Son of a ***** I just got done dropping him in all of my fantasy leagues

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Hope it wasn't a keeper league... The guy who has him in mine held onto him. I was trying to get him for cheap because of it.

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01-24-2013, 04:12 PM
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Maybe a stupid question but are RFAs actually allowed to sign offer sheets right now? I thought there was a deadline for that...

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Maybe a stupid question but are RFAs actually allowed to sign offer sheets right now? I thought there was a deadline for that...
Yeah I think it's normally in December or something... Who knows now, maybe closer to the trade deadline now if at all.

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Yeah I think it's normally in December or something... Who knows now, maybe closer to the trade deadline now if at all.
I think if he doesn't sign by a certain date, he's out for the season.

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Would you do: O'Reilly + Elliot + 3rd for Gardiner + Biggs and a 1rst

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01-24-2013, 05:17 PM
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Going by the RFA compensation table

$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

I would give ROR a deal for around $5M if he signs for 6+ years personally.

I would give up a 1st and 3rd for him.

Colorado can decide what they want to do with him after that.
I think they would match then trade him once its allowed (the next summer?) or let him walk. He's not a 5M$ player.

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01-24-2013, 05:17 PM
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I wouldn't trade either of those pieces straight up for that package, which should let you know how far off base you are. Why would you even offer Pickard to a team with 3 solid goalie prospects working their way through the system? Videogame trade.

And I don't care if people think OEL is "overrated". I'll take his 25 minutes a night @ 21 and be happy.
If you really would not trade Hanzal alone for these pieces, you are the one who is way way way off.

Avs fans don't actually believe that they can get OEL. Don't worry. It would cost us one of Duchene or Landeskog at the least and we are not willing to do that either.

On the other hand I think that Yandle for ROR is not that far off. Avs would add but not that much. It it is not an insulting offer.

The ROR situation has gotten out of control. Both between ROR and the Avs and here on HFBoards.

We are not trading him for bad value just to get rid of him.
And we are not getting OEL or the likes for him!.



@ MikeC: I would not no. But it is not that bad of a deal. But Elliott is clearly the deal breaker here.

If I had to trade with TOR ( and I really don't want to because we are very bad trading partners) Gardiner + 1st + Biggs is kind of what I would expect. I would not really like it because TORs hot start could mean that you are playoff bound (esp. with ROR). And than I would really hate this trade.

On second thought I would not do this trade until it is clear that this pick is a lottery (new rules!) pick and you probably would have to upgrade on Biggs.

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Would you do: O'Reilly + Elliot + 3rd for Gardiner + Biggs and a 1rst
hahaahahahahahha your kidding right??

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Not a chance from this Phoenix fan.

While RoR has more upside Hanzal > RoR

Yandle >>Elliot and a 2nd
No ROR is as good if not better than ROR and is a few years younger.

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If ROR was really as good as we argue he is in trade proposal threads, management would just pay him his money. He's not worth OEL at this point, very few players in the league are.

I do think he will be just as good as Yandle (or better) at their respective positions in another year or two. I personally wouldn't want to do that trade. But then again I'm a bit doubter when it comes to Yandle.

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On the other hand I think that Yandle for ROR is not that far off. Avs would add but not that much. It it is not an insulting offer.
No its not an insulting offer. But it really is not very close at all. Martin Hanzal is not a throw in. If you're asking for both Yandle and Hanzal, your asking for the heart and soul of the coyotes. Minus Doan of course.

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No its not an insulting offer. But it really is not very close at all. Martin Hanzal is not a throw in. If you're asking for both Yandle and Hanzal, your asking for the heart and soul of the coyotes.
Sorry I was responding to the guy who said that he would not trade Hanzal or Yandle for the ROR + 1st + Sgarbossa +x package.

His stance was ridicuolus.
I agree that we would not get both and we should not.

Hanzal is great. Don't think the Coyotes would give him up for anything short of a big overpayment.

I do think that somethink around Yandle and ROR could be worked out.

ROR + Elliott/Sgarbossa + minor pieces/picks for Yandle + a #3 C prospect who could step in soon.

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Ah don't bother trying to explain. To half of Leafs Nation, Gardiner = young Nierdermayer. And if you're player isn't a recent top 5 pick, then they're garbage. End of story

I would trade Gardiner for RoR in a second.
Gardiner is damaged goods so no.

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Why would anyone include a Gardiner level player + a first when they can just offer sheet him?

Given how they do business, is Colorado going to match if the Leafs throw $4.7 million with term at O'Reilly?
Avs would match it, but the Leafs couldn't offer him that anyway.

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Avs offers - 2yrs @ 3.5M / 5yrs @ 3.4M AAV.

O'Reilly wants... The only thing we think we know is that he wants around 4M per year (No clue on the length, 2 years or more) because that's what he supposedly got in the KHL. His agent refuted the claims that O'Reilly was looking for 5M per year.
His agent also said the 2 year/5 year deals where fake also.

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Sorry I was responding to the guy who said that he would not trade Hanzal or Yandle for the ROR + 1st + Sgarbossa +x package.

His stance was ridicuolus.
I agree that we would not get both and we should not.
I actually didn't see the 1st when I posted. But I would not trade either Yandle or Hanzal for ROR + a throw in like Sgarbossa. Not a bad prospect, but not super noteworthy in value. At least not enough to where you can't say no. It's not that ROR is bad, or isn't great defensively. He is. But Hanzal is required to make the playoffs in the Pacific. He is the key to the Coyotes playing Dave Tippett style hockey. Not only that, he is signed to a great contract and loves it in Phoenix. He also is arguably responsible for Radim Vrbata being a useful player. Take him out and there are consequences.

Yandle is just flat out worth more.

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I actually didn't see the 1st when I posted. But I would not trade either Yandle or Hanzal for ROR + a throw in like Sgarbossa. Not a bad prospect, but not super noteworthy in value. At least not enough to where you can't say no. It's not that ROR is bad, or isn't great defensively. He is. But Hanzal is required to make the playoffs in the Pacific. He is the key to the Coyotes playing Dave Tippett style hockey. Not only that, he is signed to a great contract and loves it in Phoenix. He also is arguably responsible for Radim Vrbata being a useful player. Take him out and there are consequences.

Yandle is just flat out worth more.
I wouldn't trade O'Reilly for Hanzal ever let alone adding... So moot point

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