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Ottawa Will Look to Move Ben Bishop

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01-24-2013, 03:44 PM
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As I said on page 2, Hjalmarsson is not getting dealt. He is especially not getting dealt for Bishop.

However, Stanton and a 2nd for Bishop is amazingly fair.
I wouldn't be quick to assume Hjalmarsson won't get dealt. It sounded like Ottawa and Chicago were close in the summer to dealing for him, what's magically changed?

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01-24-2013, 03:46 PM
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I wouldn't be quick to assume Hjalmarsson won't get dealt. It sounded like Ottawa and Chicago were close in the summer to dealing for him, what's magically changed?
If you watched the Hawks last year and this year, you would have realized that Hjalmarsson is more reliable in his own end, playing with a little more edge, and is more composed. He's close to the guy that got the big OS from Doug Wilson.

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01-24-2013, 03:51 PM
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Asset management. They'll easily get more than what they traded away for him, making Murray look like a genius.
The whole league knows they can wait for Lehner to get pissed off and ask to be moved to an NHL team. Why would they over pay for less talented Bishop? I highly doubt anyone would be stupid enough to give more than a 2nd for Bishop.

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01-24-2013, 03:54 PM
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As I said on page 2, Hjalmarsson is not getting dealt. He is especially not getting dealt for Bishop.

However, Stanton and a 2nd for Bishop is amazingly fair.
Except the sens have ZERO need for stanton.

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01-24-2013, 03:58 PM
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If you watched the Hawks last year and this year, you would have realized that Hjalmarsson is more reliable in his own end, playing with a little more edge, and is more composed. He's close to the guy that got the big OS from Doug Wilson.
Again, in the summer it was rumoured that Ottawa and Chicago were close to a deal for Hammer (for Smith). What's changed?

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01-24-2013, 03:59 PM
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What's that have to do with cup contenders?
im sorry did we all just skip past the part where you lost in the 1st round to Phoenix last year?
at least we lost in 7 to the top team in the league...

perhaps your high horse could use a re-saddling.

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01-24-2013, 04:01 PM
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The whole league knows they can wait for Lehner to get pissed off and ask to be moved to an NHL team. Why would they over pay for less talented Bishop? I highly doubt anyone would be stupid enough to give more than a 2nd for Bishop.
There are reports of multiple teams after Bishop. That creates a bidding war, which increases Bishop's value. Plus maybe a team is forced to overpay because of injuries or desperation?

I highly doubt Lehner will get pissed for being in the AHL, he knows hes gonna be in the NHL next year and that its only a matter of time before Bishop is gone this season.

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01-24-2013, 04:04 PM
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The only guarantee in this whole situation is, if bishops gets traded. At minimum Ottawa is getting a second round draft pick. Copy what a poster said above earlier. Bryan Murray is a genius. He essentially will get bishop for a free 10 games + as many games he plays this year. And the most important part, is how Bishop changed lehners mentality.

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Stupid move imo. Anderson's a volatile goalie and you need to have solid backup in case he falters (and when Anderson falters he does it in stretches). Shortened season, keep him and see how the market is in the summer.

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Stupid move imo. Anderson's a volatile goalie and you need to have solid backup in case he falters (and when Anderson falters he does it in stretches). Shortened season, keep him and see how the market is in the summer.
Robin Lehner.

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Stupid move imo. Anderson's a volatile goalie and you need to have solid backup in case he falters (and when Anderson falters he does it in stretches). Shortened season, keep him and see how the market is in the summer.
For such an aggresive statement one would assume that you would understand why Bishop is being shopped in the first place.

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For such an aggresive statement one would assume that you would understand why Bishop is being shopped in the first place.
My gut tells me that Bishop isn't being shopped - Murray is fielding calls about his availability because Ottawa carried three goalies out of camp.

Murray had all three on the roster for cap reasons (i.e. to get to the floor).

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Again, in the summer it was rumoured that Ottawa and Chicago were close to a deal for Hammer (for Smith). What's changed?
I was inferring that since Hammer is playing better, the Hawks feel no rush and/or need to trade him.

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My gut tells me that Bishop isn't being shopped - Murray is fielding calls about his availability because Ottawa carried three goalies out of camp.

Murray had all three on the roster for cap reasons (i.e. to get to the floor).
Your gut is wrong.

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01-24-2013, 06:16 PM
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Which one of the Hawks top 4 is he better than?

Seabrook (no)
Keith (no)
Hjalmarsson (no)
Leddy (no)
Oduya (debatable)
Rozsival (probably)
Brookbank (absolutely)

Oduya has been a real steadying influence on the Hawks second pairing. Hawks roll 7 deep, Methot would be the 5/6 in Chicago. I mean Hjalmarsson is worth Bishop + and I don't see the Blackhawks moving any of their dmen this year... not with the way they've been playing.
Oduya, was brutal with the jets. Can't say I've seen him with hawks much. All I've seen from Methot is strong play. Oduya and strong play don't go together at least in my opinion.

Also **** off with Peckham. First off he is out of shape, second he is not a very good defensemen.

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im sorry did we all just skip past the part where you lost in the 1st round to Phoenix last year?
at least we lost in 7 to the top team in the league...

perhaps your high horse could use a re-saddling.
I said not in Chicago or on any cup contenders.

Chicago is a legit cup contender if they get avg goaltending.
Ottawa is not no matter what.

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01-24-2013, 06:26 PM
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Oduya, was brutal with the jets. Can't say I've seen him with hawks much. All I've seen from Methot is strong play. Oduya and strong play don't go together at least in my opinion.

Also **** off with Peckham. First off he is out of shape, second he is not a very good defensemen.
Oduya has been amazing so far this year, and was fairly good before the playoffs for us last year. Methot wouldnt fit in our top 4 because Hammer is already there and you don't put 2 defensive Dmen together on the same pair.

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Per Bob McKenzie tonight

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...195438&lang=en

-Says that attempts to trade Ben Bishop have become "convoluted" due to the hold-up on the Luongo trade, that it's "kinda gumming up the works for everybody on the goalie trade market"
-says Robin Lehner's demotion to the AHL is what they've done "for now"
-says that Ottawa knows long-term that they want Anderson and Lehner in goal
-suggests Edmonton would like another goalie to supplement Devan Dubnyk and that Calgary could be looking for an upgrade at the back-up position
-says there is a market but it's not fully formed and that he expects Bishop to be traded in the future

Seeing as Ottawa traded a 2nd round pick for Bishop, I think they'd be looking for that as a minimum, but even more likely would be a defenceman.

Provided everyone stays healthy, I could see something like Theo Peckham (and maybe a pick) for Bishop on Edmonton's side. Gives Ottawa a physical stay-at-home defenceman with a ton of grit for the third pairing. I think Peckham is a lot better than most Oiler fans give him credit for, though I'm not sure what his cache is around the league.

Not sure who Calgary would be offering up. I would think they'd like to move out a defenceman, but who? Giordano, Butler, Brodie and Wideman seem to be the building blocks going forward, Corey Sarich just re-signed last summer, which would leave Jay Bouwmeester, Anton Babchuk and Derek Smith as the odd mean out and I can't imagine Ottawa having much interest in any of them.
I thought noone wanted Luongo. How can he slow a market with that albatross contract

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01-24-2013, 07:08 PM
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Oduya has been amazing so far this year, and was fairly good before the playoffs for us last year. Methot wouldnt fit in our top 4 because Hammer is already there and you don't put 2 defensive Dmen together on the same pair.
Sens got to the finals with Phllips-Volchenkov

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I said not in Chicago or on any cup contenders.

Chicago is a legit cup contender if they get avg goaltending.
Ottawa is not no matter what.
Why isn't Ottawa a cup contender?

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you really think the Sens are a contender? They are a PO team that has to win in the POs first to be considered a contender

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you really think the Sens are a contender? They are a PO team that has to win in the POs first to be considered a contender
Same could be said about the sHawks. All they've done is wet the bed since trading half their team in 2010.

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I'm thinking Henrik Karlsson was their insulation plan, for better or worse.


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you really think the Sens are a contender? They are a PO team that has to win in the POs first to be considered a contender
Good luck in the Western Conference with that goaltending.

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Could see Calgary doing it, because they're close to Blow-It-Up-Ville

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Why isn't Ottawa a cup contender?
Because they're 3-0 and we're 4-0

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