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Ottawa Will Look to Move Ben Bishop

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01-25-2013, 09:19 AM
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He played really well in Ottawa when he was brought in after Anderson cut himself. He's obviously huge at 6'7, moves extremely well for a guy his size and is one of the best puck handling goalies I've seen. Tons of upside there, definite #1 potential and he's ready to play now.
10 games. He played 10 games last season and was .500 in those games. You honestly think that other teams are going to look at that body of work, ignore his other performances, and go on that? Bishop isn't even a top goaltender in the AHL.

26 year old back up goaltenders who have no track record of success aren't worth a lot. A 2nd or 3rd round pick is probably all he's worth. Anything more is going to have strings attached in the shape of a big contract someone wants to dump or a player with little value where the team wants to rid the organization of a contract.

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01-25-2013, 09:21 AM
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As I said on page 2, Hjalmarsson is not getting dealt. He is especially not getting dealt for Bishop.

However, Stanton and a 2nd for Bishop is amazingly fair.
I've watched Stanton play and I would take this deal and run.

If he didn't pan out, the Senators still would have Borowieki waiting in the wings.

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01-25-2013, 09:21 AM
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What's to stop a team paying a 2nd+ because they feel Bishop could be a good goalie for them? If there is a bidding war he could return a decent piece. Seeing as how Murray paid a 2nd round pick to get him, I think it's fair to say he'd want at least similar value back, but its likely he would want to get more than he paid for Bishop.

Teams who want a good young goaltender, remember: you have to give to get. There's no sense in the Sens trading Bishop for spare pieces.
What stops a big payout for Bishop is the fact that everyone knows you have another goalie you value more just waiting to take on the backup role and that you will lose Bishop for nothing once you send him down and put him on waivers. Plus he hasnt shown enough at the NHL level to suggest he's worth much more than what they paid to get him. So yeah a 2nd or 3rd and a spare piece that doesnt really fit in somebody elses lineup.

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01-25-2013, 09:24 AM
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Depth is important and the asking price is low. You can have him without giving up any NHL talent.

In a shortened season it will be nice to have the luxury of a backup who can push for the starter position if Crawford stumbles at all.

I'm not saying you should rush to make a deal or pay through the roof, but the answer to your question is fairly obvious IMO.
My point is that the Hawks are not desperate for goaltender right now...therefore the return on Bishop would not be as great. Now, if it were a team with backstop problems like Phoenix/Tampa or anyone else of that ilk.....well you know.

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01-25-2013, 10:49 AM
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I would do Bishop for Potter straight up if he's available.

I could see Murray asking for Smid ( hes a big fan of his, tried to get him in the Heatly trade) or maybe Whitney, a veteran soon to be UFA.

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01-25-2013, 10:51 AM
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Ben Bishop to Oilers for Peckham/Potter and a 2nd? Thoughts?
I would take Potter please.

I will get the papers and fax them in.

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I would do Bishop for Potter straight up if he's available.

I could see Murray asking for Smid ( hes a big fan of his, tried to get him in the Heatly trade) or maybe Whitney, a veteran soon to be UFA.
Ottawa would have to add to get Smid and it doesn't make sense from an Edmonton perspective.

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I would take Potter please.

I will get the papers and fax them in.
Another bottom pairing defense?

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Another bottom pairing defense?
Do your research, watch some games before you make that type of statement. He's Edm top pair with Smid.

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Do your research, watch some games before you make that type of statement. He's Edm top pair with Smid.
Calm down body, I was asking a question. I don't watch Edmonton so I was inquiring which pairing.

Going back to my question, is he a top pairing shutdown guy?

I've just check his time on ice: he is 6th on the Oilers with the worst plus/minus with Oilers, he looks like bottom pairing to me.

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Calm down body, I was asking a question. I don't watch Edmonton so I was inquiring which pairing.

Going back to my question, is he a top pairing shutdown guy?

I've just check his time on ice: he is 6th on the Oilers with the worst plus/minus with Oilers, he looks like bottom pairing to me.
You're right, I believe granny may be thinking of Jeff Petry and not Corey Potter.

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10 games. He played 10 games last season and was .500 in those games. You honestly think that other teams are going to look at that body of work, ignore his other performances, and go on that? Bishop isn't even a top goaltender in the AHL.

26 year old back up goaltenders who have no track record of success aren't worth a lot. A 2nd or 3rd round pick is probably all he's worth. Anything more is going to have strings attached in the shape of a big contract someone wants to dump or a player with little value where the team wants to rid the organization of a contract.
To be honest, I was pretty surprised when Armstrong was able to get a 2nd round pick for Bishop at the trade deadline last year.

He was mostly looked at as a bridge to Jake Allen in the Blues organization. It was good asset management to move him for a pick last year. Halak and Elliott are both under contract for this year and next, and Allen will get the bulk of the starts in Peoria.

I can understand not wanting to part with him for less than they paid, but going .500 on a playoff team since them hasn't done anything to raise his value.

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Do your research, watch some games before you make that type of statement. He's Edm top pair with Smid.
I thought Petry was Smid's regular ES partner. Behindthenet.ca has Smid and Petry as each other's most common linemate last season. LINK And the season before that, Petry played mostly with Smid in his 35 games that year. LINK And whenever I watch the Oilers, I see Petry and Smid paired together. Are you sure your not confusing Petry and Potter? Or did the Oilers change up their pairing this season?

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Why would the Hawks even entertain a trade for Bishop right now? They are 4-0 and have been playing lights out.
Emery is bad, Goaltending isn't really good and we have seen what Crawford did last year in the POs. No wonder Hawks fans worry about this

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01-25-2013, 03:27 PM
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Do your research, watch some games before you make that type of statement. He's Edm top pair with Smid.
Now that peaks Murray's interest.

I believe he drafted Smid and tried acquiring him during Heatley's **** fest.

Smid is a pending UFA and Bishop's a pending RFA. What would be needed? Would the price be cheaper if it were around the deadline and Edm knew Smid would be walking at seasons end?

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Now that peaks Murray's interest.

I believe he drafted Smid and tried acquiring him during Heatley's **** fest.

Smid is a pending UFA and Bishop's a pending RFA. What would be needed? Would the price be cheaper if it were around the deadline and Edm knew Smid would be walking at seasons end?
This has been discussed a few times. Oilers plan on resigning Smid so they would want a whole lot more than Bishop.

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Best goaltender in the AHL?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldege_...Memorial_Award

Whoops.

.500 is quite the accomplishment. What were Bernier's stats and record? That is your comparable on the market and talk there has been disappointing as well.

Yeah maybe he was wrong, however

.930svp in 41 AHL games is nothing to sneeze at along with .928 svp in 13 games this season.

Came in for Ottawa last season when the pressure was on and Anderson injured and he played well enough to keep Ottawa in the playoffs.

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Calm down body, I was asking a question. I don't watch Edmonton so I was inquiring which pairing.

Going back to my question, is he a top pairing shutdown guy?

I've just check his time on ice: he is 6th on the Oilers with the worst plus/minus with Oilers, he looks like bottom pairing to me.
In no way is Potter a top pairing guy in Edmonton. Potter is a career minor leaguer who actually played very well for about 20 games last year.

Smid's partner is Petry. He is not available for Bishop.

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Now that peaks Murray's interest.

I believe he drafted Smid and tried acquiring him during Heatley's **** fest.

Smid is a pending UFA and Bishop's a pending RFA. What would be needed? Would the price be cheaper if it were around the deadline and Edm knew Smid would be walking at seasons end?
Afer the big 5, Smid is probably considered to be as much a part of the Oilers core as anyone. He loves the city. I doubt there is any way he walks.

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Smid is the only defenceman Murray likely has any interest in. Pretty fair deal 1 for 1.

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10 games. He played 10 games last season and was .500 in those games. You honestly think that other teams are going to look at that body of work, ignore his other performances, and go on that? Bishop isn't even a top goaltender in the AHL.

26 year old back up goaltenders who have no track record of success aren't worth a lot. A 2nd or 3rd round pick is probably all he's worth. Anything more is going to have strings attached in the shape of a big contract someone wants to dump or a player with little value where the team wants to rid the organization of a contract.
That has to be one of the stupid comments in this thread.

From Wikipedia: Bishop was the American Hockey League's top goaltender with a 24-14-0 record, a 2.26 goals against average, a 0.928 save percentage, and a league-leading six shutouts through 38 games.

He has posted really good numbers with Binghampton the last 2 years, saved our season last year when Anderson was hurt, and the only reason he hasn't played much is because of the lock jam in St. Louis and now Ottawa.

I don't know how many Binghampton or Ottawa games you've watched (probably not a lot), but Bishop is a very good goalie with amazing size. Instead of checking stats, maybe watch a game or two.

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Would anyone interested in Bishop also be interested in Da Costa

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Edmonton would probably move Whitney for Bishop. No chance we move Smid though.

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Smid isn't going anywhere. Especially not for a backup goalie.

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Do your research, watch some games before you make that type of statement. He's Edm top pair with Smid.
Egg on your face.

Hes a bottom pairing guy in Edmonton...6th in ice time as pointed out already.

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Smid is the only defenceman Murray likely has any interest in. Pretty fair deal 1 for 1.
Edmonton's #1Dman for OTT's backup goalie sounds very fair if you are Senator fan
For Oilers not so much..

Bishop would be good but only if the cost is a bottom pairing Dman plus a tier 2 prospect or a pick..

Potter or Peckham + a prospect like Plante or Martindale (67s connection)

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How about something like Bishop + Da Costa (maybe another plus, like a pick, based on how teams feel about the deal) for Klesla on the Coyotes?

Coyotes are pretty deep and have some young guys on the blueline pushing their way forward (Rundblad, Stone, soon to be Gormley + Murphy + Goncharov, etc.). Guys like Rundblad and Stone could get more ice, as well as Schlemko. Coyotes add a C prospect to bolster that area, as they are maybe not exactly "loaded" in that position prospect-wise, and a good back up. Not that LaBarbera is bad per say, but if you guys play Bishop in your solid defensive system, his numbers may bloat up. Not saying that Coyotes are a trap team or anything! I just think it should be noted how substantially better goalies numbers are when playing there.

There is a reason for that, team defense, coaching, etc. They play responsible hockey. Coyotes could then either hold on to him as a reliable guy to look to when Smith is tired/ hurt, or could trade him in a year or so to a team looking for a back up/ part time starter, much like Ottawa did last season, and get a healthy return due to his improved stats.

They give up a reliable vet in Klesla, though. I don't know how attached to him 'Yotes fans are, so you guys will have to tell me if I'm way off. He would obviously be missed if injuries were to occur.

Meanwhile, Ottawa adds a reliable 2nd pair type guy to fill in for Cowen's absence for the rest of the season. As the vets (Phillips, Gonchar) get older and retire, Klesla provides the experience and some leadership to their back end in the coming years.

Maybe Sens and 'Yotes fans can fill me in on their pairs? Might give me a better idea of how it would look.

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