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B.Schenn or N. Kadri

View Poll Results: who puts up more points
B. Schenn 267 57.92%
N. Kadri 194 42.08%
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01-25-2013, 01:11 AM
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Ah so basically just a ton of nonsense. Are you really using an HFboards poll to back up your opinion?

Schenn is a great prospect, but Kadri will probably out produce him playing with MUCH lesser team mates... Not to mention Kadri has been pretty physical and good defensively this year
So you agreed with the guy who said Kadri is better at "everything" in hockey.

Prove to me that he's better in every single facet in the game.

I'll wait.

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01-25-2013, 01:37 AM
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http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...delphia-flyers

"Of course, to get assists, he relies on his linemates' shooting also. In his juniors career, he averaged 1.7 assists per goal. In his shorter AHL career, the average was 1.4. In Philadelphia, it's been 0.6 -- and the low assist total is why his point total seems low. If he'd had 1.4 assists for each of his goals in Philadelphia, he'd have 29 points in 57 games, a 42-point pace that's right in line with his historic trends.

When we look at his teammate shooting percentages, we can see why Schenn is finding assists hard to come by. At 5-on-5, the average team shoots 8.0 percent. Last year, despite his own shooting percentage being solid, with Schenn on the ice the Flyers shot just 6.2 percent, because his linemates were collectively all the way down at 4.9 percent. Players don't have much control over their linemates' shooting percentages, so this low figure is not a worrisome sign that he struggled; it just means that he didn't get the bounces. We should expect his linemates' shooting percentage to turn around, and when it does, his assist total will come up with it.

Whether Schenn becomes a 50-point player or a 75-point player depends on how he develops from here, and is open to guesswork. But don't let his linemates' bad luck last year fool you into thinking he's less than a 40-something point player right now."
So you're saying that the Flyers' 1st/2nd (whatever line he happens to play on a given night) is worse than the top line of the Marlies?

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01-25-2013, 02:19 AM
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Quite easily Schenn. Kadri shouldn't have 1 vote...

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01-25-2013, 03:23 AM
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Quite easily Schenn. Kadri shouldn't have 1 vote...
What in Schenn's 18 pts in 54 NHL games last year makes you think that he is somehow annointed as the second coming of Ronny Francis?
I dont think that Schenn has the toolbox to ever be an elite NHL offensive player.

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01-25-2013, 03:24 AM
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Quite easily Schenn. Kadri shouldn't have 1 vote...
Kadri is getting second line minutes and PP time so why wouldn't he put up more points this season?

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01-25-2013, 09:28 AM
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Kadri's had a great start to the year so far.

So...uh..his D game sucks. Schenn AINEC.
So uh...watch him play.

Being a Sens fan, I'm sure you're not biased at all.

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01-25-2013, 09:34 AM
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So you agreed with the guy who said Kadri is better at "everything" in hockey.

Prove to me that he's better in every single facet in the game.

I'll wait.
I did already...

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Although I choose Schenn, this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen.

B. Schenn: 63GP 20 PTS (0.32 PPG)
N. Kadri: 51GP 19 PTS (0.37 PPG)

2011-12

.....................B. Schenn..........N. Kadri
Corsi Rel QoC .... -0.232..........-0.068
Corsi QoC.........-0.444........... -1.299
Corsi Rel............-2.6..................10.9
Deff Zone Start....45.2 ...............48.3
GA On/60 ...........2.63................1.86
GA Off/60............2.45................3.04
GF On/60 ...........1.97................. 2.55
GF Off/60............2.64................. 2.96

Dont see a huge difference.... Actually its funny how the notorious bust is better in almost every statistical category than the star to be

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01-25-2013, 09:50 AM
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I did already...
The PPG's are now Kadri 0.43___ and Schenn at 0.31___.

This board is just so wrong about Kadri, it's hilarious.

The guy was 20 years old when he was written off as a bust when all he did was perform at every level.

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01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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Kadri 3 goals and 1 assist in 4 games.

Schenn 1 assist in 3 games.

LOL at this thread.
Kadri has more points than Giroux too. LOL

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01-25-2013, 10:52 AM
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Its always nice when the players themselves put threads like these to bed.

3g 2a 5p in 4gp +1

Best player thus far for Toronto. Gotta love it.

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01-25-2013, 10:58 AM
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Kadri has more points than Giroux too. LOL
We're not comparing Kadri and Giroux are we?

Giroux has and always will be the better player.

It's just baffling to know that the answers on this thread are "Schenn AINEC" when Kadri has accomplished just as much as Schenn has despite going through much more adversity and not getting ice time until he earned it.

Schenn to me is a guy that can hit, bang in a few garbage goals but he's not someone who can create his own offense. He'll be a good player when he's surrounded by other good players.

Kadri is physical, gritty, can draw penalties, amazing vision and hands. He was terribly mishandled by Ron Wilson who wanted him to play wing.

Carlyle comes to the scene and the first thing he does is put him back to center where he can utilize his skill and the ice much better than he can on the wing. He can create offense for his line.

Kadri has been the Leafs best forward so far, and that too with minimal PP time with the top unit.

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01-25-2013, 11:07 AM
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Kadri is getting second line minutes and PP time so why wouldn't he put up more points this season?
He has been on the 3rd line with Komarov who has 0 points.

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01-25-2013, 11:12 AM
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Schenn AINEC. Better at every facet of the game, nothing against Kadri at all if he manage the pace he's at for the rest of the year the Leafs make the playoffs IMO.

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01-25-2013, 11:23 AM
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Schenn AINEC. Better at every facet of the game, nothing against Kadri at all if he manage the pace he's at for the rest of the year the Leafs make the playoffs IMO.
Soo. What are you basing your oppinion on? Their current pace? Their career stats? Junior stats? Or your thorough analysis of playing style? All those times these players played against the canucks i guess. Thus far Kadri has been better in every aspect of the game asside from hitting if you ask me. More responsible defensively, better GPG, better APG, better PPG, less penalties. Really struggling to see how Schenn is better in every facet.

NHL Career Statistics

Kadri

55GP / 11G / 13A / 24pts / -1 / 20PIM / 0.44 ppg

Schenn

66GP / 12G / 9A / 21pts / -8 / 39PIM + 1g susp / 0.32 ppg

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01-25-2013, 12:04 PM
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Schenn is a better goal scorer, more physical, better hitter.

Schenn has been better at essentially every single level, and they have been similar in the NHL with very different circumstances (with the NHL level being a pretty small sample size).

If Kadri is better in "every facet of hockey" why has he:

A. Not outproduced Schenn when they were prospects
B. Been behind Schenn is every single imaginable scouting service on this planet


Also, something to note, Schenn is almost a full calendar year behind Kadri in age. Keep that in mind. That does matter, believe it or not.

Maybe those aforementioned reasons are why Schenn has TRIPLED Kadri in votes.

Shh no tears, only dreams now.
Ovechkin is better than Malkin AINEC.

Kadri's turning into a game-breaker. Now that he realizes he can really produce at this level, expect him to take off.

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01-25-2013, 12:11 PM
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It maybe too early to tell, but could this change in Kadri be a result of Gary Roberts training? You never know.

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01-25-2013, 12:21 PM
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I did already...
So you're saying that your post is an all-encompassing analysis about both players?

There is absolutely nothing left to discuss because your post analyzes every aspect of hockey.

Ok, well if you and others actually believe that, then I guess we're done here.

But how about you give me a rebuttal after I linked an article as to why those stats could be skewed (also because of their small sample size).

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Kadri's had a great start to the year so far.

So...uh..his D game sucks. Schenn AINEC.
Had to laugh at this one, Milan the Great is a notorious Leaf basher. You just can't stop, can you?

Anyways, Kadri's had a great start, however this should be a close points race. Kadri's actually been very solid defensively as well. Been our best forward, or atleast after Kulemin.

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So you're saying that your post is an all-encompassing analysis about both players?

There is absolutely nothing left to discuss because your post analyzes every aspect of hockey.

Ok, well if you and others actually believe that, then I guess we're done here.

But how about you give me a rebuttal after I linked an article as to why those stats could be skewed (also because of their small sample size).
These stats could be skewed, yes. But what else do we have to go on with such young players who have played so few games?

As someone earlier pointed out, draft pedigree means little-to-nothing. I think anyone claiming Kadri is better at all (or even the majority) of aspects of the game is incorrect, and I think the reverse would be equally incorrect.

I guess my point is this: Do you see a legitimate argument for a Leafs fan (or a neutral fan, or a Philly fan) to be inclined to vote Kadri in this poll? Because I can see an argument made either way at this moment, but the thread consensus seems to be 'Schenn ainec', which confuses me.

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01-25-2013, 01:28 PM
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Had to laugh at this one, Milan the Great is a notorious Leaf basher. You just can't stop, can you?

Anyways, Kadri's had a great start, however this should be a close points race. Kadri's actually been very solid defensively as well. Been our best forward, or atleast after Kulemin.
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So uh...watch him play.

Being a Sens fan, I'm sure you're not biased at all.
I think he was joking?

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01-25-2013, 01:31 PM
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Kadris shooting at like 50 percent. I'm sure he'll keep that rate up

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01-25-2013, 01:31 PM
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I think he was joking?
I assumed it was tongue-in-cheek

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I never understood the B. Schenn hype in Toronto during his draft year, maybe it was solely because of his brother Luke being a member of the Leafs.

Good to see Kadri proving all the critics wrong, he's improved every game and looks to be solid 2C who could possibly push for 1C with Lupul out.

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these stats could be skewed, yes. But what else do we have to go on with such young players who have played so few games?

As someone earlier pointed out, draft pedigree means little-to-nothing. I think anyone claiming kadri is better at all (or even the majority) of aspects of the game is incorrect, and i think the reverse would be equally incorrect.

I guess my point is this: Do you see a legitimate argument for a leafs fan (or a neutral fan, or a philly fan) to be inclined to vote kadri in this poll? Because i can see an argument made either way at this moment, but the thread consensus seems to be 'schenn ainec', which confuses me.
qft.

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01-25-2013, 02:18 PM
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Kadris shooting at like 50 percent. I'm sure he'll keep that rate up
pretty sure that's higher than Mr Unsustainable Shooting Percentage himself

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