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01-25-2013, 01:56 PM
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Patience with youngsters. 2 Games at an entirety.
Low . . . rent . . . coach.

Seriously, I've seen some guys coach other teams reputed to have no patience with young players, and just about everyone of them brings more patience to the table than Bylsma.

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"Demeanor" is an interesting word. Wonder if there is anything going on behind the scenes.

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"Demeanor" is an interesting word. Wonder if there is anything going on behind the scenes.
Because it's so hard to believe that Bylsma ever could **** up the development of a young player?

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01-25-2013, 01:58 PM
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Also how Bylsma is publicly stating this in no way helps Despres trade value.

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I hope he doesn't. If he does, then they'll think it's o'k to use him again in the playoffs.

Guys like that have limits. Guys like Despres, if you let them work the kinks out now, might prove to be worth the faith in April.

I'll be blunt: Name ONE player (not elite but excellent of good caliber prospect) who's handling gives you the slightest amount of faith in how Bylsma will handle Bennett, Morrow, Pouliot, etc.
Yeah I know as a fan it sounds bad to say you hope a player does bad, but I want Lovejoy to **** the bed. He seems like a nice guy, but this organization needs to learn how to be patient and develop prospects at the NHL level. The potential of Despres in the next 5 months through next season far outweighs the importance of Ben Lovejoy. And it's not like Despres has been bad. Engel gets his face smashed in and is playing in this game (despite struggling against TOR) and Despres is sitting in the press box. I wonder what kind of message that sends.

I try to think that the org is doing the tough love thing, but it seems to happen far too often.

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Just a thought on the reunited Lovejoy-Engo pairing: As we watch that train wreck, maybe we won't notice what a train wreck TK as L2 LW will be. Maybe that's Bylsma's plan.

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"Demeanor" is an interesting word. Wonder if there is anything going on behind the scenes.
Maybe Elmer was caught peeking in the Ice Crew Girls' locker room?

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Did Bylsma state anything? I read it as Dejan speculating about Bylsma's demeanor.

I think Lovejoy and even Bortuzzo have got to get into games here and there but I'm a little surprised Lovejoy is the first one in.

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Just a thought on the reunited Lovejoy-Engo pairing: As we watch that train wreck, maybe we won't notice what a train wreck TK as L2 LW will be. Maybe that's Bylsma's plan.
They'll probably play well and Despres will get scratched again. That's the bigger potential problem.

Only positive I can take from this is if Despres is moved and another D-man isn't brought back, we need to know what Lovejoy can bring this year.

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Then why is Kennedy playing?
Its because I am stupid. Totally forgot about Kennedy.

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Bylsma: Lovejoy in, Despres out. On Despres: "We want to see more consistency in play, demeanor." #Pens #NHLJets #TribHKY
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So it's because of Vokoun & not Fleury.
I'm not fond of this decision-making process.

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01-25-2013, 02:04 PM
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Yeah I know as a fan it sounds bad to say you hope a player does bad, but I want Lovejoy to **** the bed. He seems like a nice guy, but this organization needs to learn how to be patient and develop prospects at the NHL level. The potential of Despres in the next 5 months through next season far outweighs the importance of Ben Lovejoy. And it's not like Despres has been bad. Engel gets his face smashed in and is playing in this game (despite struggling against TOR) and Despres is sitting in the press box. I wonder what kind of message that sends.

I try to think that the org is doing the tough love thing, but it seems to happen far too often.
Tough love?

Please. Englland has sucked these three games. Despres showed a more disciplined two way game against Toronto and is one of the few defensemen who didn't suck.

This is Bylsma using the Eric Tangradi playbook on Despres.

And, if you don't think he'll use it on Bennett, Morrow, Pouliot, etc, then you're nuts.

Guy was a career Craig Adams. He's done nothing to show me that he has the ability to develop young talent. Even the top end talent: Staal regressed defensively. Geno regressed defensively. Sid? Tough to call because he missed so much time. Letang? He was going to get better regardless.

As far as I can tell, the most skilled young player with whom Bylsma has had some success is Niskanen, and that's if you want to call a 5th or 6th year vet 'young'.

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Did Bylsma state anything? I read it as Dejan speculating about Bylsma's demeanor.

I think Lovejoy and even Bortuzzo have got to get into games here and there but I'm a little surprised Lovejoy is the first one in.
Why are you surprised? I'm never surprised when vets get playing preference over young guys.

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Tough love?

Please. Englland has sucked these three games. Despres showed a more disciplined two way game against Toronto and is one of the few defensemen who didn't suck.

This is Bylsma using the Eric Tangradi playbook on Despres.

And, if you don't think he'll use it on Bennett, Morrow, Pouliot, etc, then you're nuts.

Guy was a career Craig Adams. He's done nothing to show me that he has the ability to develop young talent. Even the top end talent: Staal regressed defensively. Geno regressed defensively. Sid? Tough to call because he missed so much time. Letang? He was going to get better regardless.

As far as I can tell, the most skilled young player with whom Bylsma has had some success is Niskanen, and that's if you want to call a 5th or 6th year vet 'young'.
Hey man I'm just trying to think positively. I don't agree with any of these decisions, I just can't think of any other reason.

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01-25-2013, 02:06 PM
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Clearly the best way to build up a young player's confidence is to bench him for garbage. Way to go Bylsma.

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They'll probably play well and Despres will get scratched again. That's the bigger potential problem.

Only positive I can take from this is if Despres is moved and another D-man isn't brought back, we need to know what Lovejoy can bring this year.
Yes, it is. The last two seasons should've taught Bylsma where Lovejoy belongs when crunch time comes.

So, here you've got Despres. You'll have the good; you'll have the bad. But, now is the time to see, because it's the type of thing that can pay off in April.

I hope they trade Despres, because, by the time Bylsma gets done with him, he won't be worth **** on the ice or in a trade.

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Because it's so hard to believe that Bylsma ever could **** up the development of a young player?
No, but I'm not sure why everyone here assumes they know absolutely everything about what goes into these decisions.

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Hey man I'm just trying to think positively. I don't agree with any of these decisions, I just can't think of any other reason.
You mean aside from the one that's been pretty obvious since Dan Bylsma put his exclusive stamp on this team starting with the 2009-2010 season?

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Low . . . rent . . . coach.

Seriously, I've seen some guys coach other teams reputed to have no patience with young players, and just about everyone of them brings more patience to the table than Bylsma.
You know... I wouldn't trade 2009 for anything, but I think Bylsma's goodwill from that season should be used up... there are a lot of little things to question with him.

I know very few of us have "real world" hockey experience, and they know better, but the Despres stuff, to me, is totally indefensible. Partly because, to my eyes, Despres has looked good (good enough to feel comfortable with him getting more minutes). But also, reallyyyyyyyy, because I've seen Ben Lovejoy, and he IS NOT A BETTER PLAYER. If you were replacing Despres with a *BETTER* player, regardless of age, I wouldn't care. But this makes no sense.

And if Bylsma can't reach players, communicate what he wants from them and get it out of them, without benching them, ... that's a problem, too.

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No, but I'm not sure why everyone here assumes they know absolutely everything about what goes into these decisions.
Isn't that the whole premise of this site? To have discussions, usually based on what they do know and speculate further about it?

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Clearly the best way to build up a young player's confidence is to bench him for garbage. Way to go Bylsma.
Well, in Bylsma's defense, it's worked wonders with Tangradi.

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My issue is the lack of patience. If you are going to act like MT, your career will end like his, too. 3 games in and we are moving people left/right. That's a complete joke.

And what is he watching? Engo had the worst game of the defense. Letang actually got beat to the outside. Despres did not do a thing wrong.

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No, but I'm not sure why everyone here assumes they know absolutely everything about what goes into these decisions.
Well, it's the internet, if we don't speculate recklessly, what's the point?

Anyhow, we can only go by what we see on the ice and what Byslma tells reporters. And when we go based on what we know... it's frustrating?

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You know... I wouldn't trade 2009 for anything, but I think Bylsma's goodwill from that season should be used up... there are a lot of little things to question with him.

I know very few of us have "real world" hockey experience, and they know better, but the Despres stuff, to me, is totally indefensible. Partly because, to my eyes, Despres has looked good (good enough to feel comfortable with him getting more minutes). But also, reallyyyyyyyy, because I've seen Ben Lovejoy, and he IS NOT A BETTER PLAYER. If you were replacing Despres with a *BETTER* player, regardless of age, I wouldn't care. But this makes no sense.

And if Bylsma can't reach players, communicate what he wants from them and get it out of them, without benching them, ... that's a problem, too.
With the amount of top-end talent we have in the cupboards right now, I am starting to think we need a new coach. I may be jumping ship a little too fast but DB has completely ruined my Friday night.

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