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01-25-2013, 12:58 PM
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actually they could easily but it would likely be at the expense of Kris Letang.
Don't you mean Paul Martin? What if our future defense was Orpik Letang - Morrow Pouliot, Engelland Maata? We could use Martin's 5M cap hit and let TK and Dupuis (and maybe Cooke) go and add Perry with enough space for raises for Letang and Malkin. It is possible.

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I'd also consider throwing in Morrow but I think Bennett needs to stay as he's essentially our only good forward prospect.

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That was the case last year, but our center situation this year isn't so clear cut. We wouldn't move Ryan for D prospects, but it wouldn't be something I'd rule out if we're forced to move Perry. That situation is one where you have to get what you can.
If Perry goes on the market, UFA or not, the bidding would be way out of the Pens range.

I can't even see him going to the Pens in the Summer either.

Hopefully Ducks find a way to lock him up.

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01-25-2013, 01:08 PM
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If they sign Perry for 7 and extend Letang for 6.5 AND Malkin doesn't ask for a raise (which, again, he is more than entitled to get), this is how the 2014-15 cap looks (assuming it goes up from 64 -> 66):

Crosby: 8.7
Malkin: 8.7
Perry: 7
Letang: 6.5
Neal: 5
MAF: 5
Martin: 1.7 (buyout)

That's 42.6. Do you really think you can find 17 other roster players at an average of under $1.4m per person? That's not "a couple of 4th-line players", that's like 10 4th line salaries and 7 3rd line salaries.

Give me a break. If you want Perry, Letang has to go. Get over it.
Is there a special buyout rule this summer applicable only to the Penguins?

Your skills as a capologist notwithstanding, Shero didn't offer Parise big bucks saying to himself 'gee, if he signs, I'm going to have to move Letang'.

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01-25-2013, 01:11 PM
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If they sign Perry for 7 and extend Letang for 6.5 AND Malkin doesn't ask for a raise (which, again, he is more than entitled to get), this is how the 2014-15 cap looks (assuming it goes up from 64 -> 66):

Crosby: 8.7
Malkin: 8.7
Perry: 7
Letang: 6.5
Neal: 5
MAF: 5
Martin: 1.7 (buyout)

That's 42.6. Do you really think you can find 17 other roster players at an average of under $1.4m per person? That's not "a couple of 4th-line players", that's like 10 4th line salaries and 7 3rd line salaries.

Give me a break. If you want Perry, Letang has to go. Get over it.

It is possible to keep Letang and acquire Perry assuming the cap is 66M in 14-15. Use capgeek and see for yourself.

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01-25-2013, 01:11 PM
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If they sign Perry for 7 and extend Letang for 6.5 AND Malkin doesn't ask for a raise (which, again, he is more than entitled to get), this is how the 2014-15 cap looks (assuming it goes up from 64 -> 66):

Crosby: 8.7
Malkin: 8.7
Perry: 7
Letang: 6.5
Neal: 5
MAF: 5
Martin: 1.7 (buyout)

That's 42.6. Do you really think you can find 17 other roster players at an average of under $1.4m per person? That's not "a couple of 4th-line players", that's like 10 4th line salaries and 7 3rd line salaries.

Give me a break. If you want Perry, Letang has to go. Get over it.
If we traded Martin and Kennedy goes in the Perry trade, then something like this could happen:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Corey Perry ($7.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Matt Cooke ($1.800m)
Eric Tangradi ($0.762m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($6.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.900m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,123,133; BONUSES: $85,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $261,867

But if we couldn't trade Martin (even if it was just a dump), then we would buy him out and something like this would work:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Corey Perry ($7.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Matt Cooke ($1.800m)
Eric Tangradi (NaN) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams (NaN)
Dustin Jeffrey (NaN) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($6.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.900m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
BUYOUTS
Paul Martin ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,665,000; BONUSES: $85,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $720,000

And keep in mind, this is not for next year. Its 2 years later with Malkin and Letang needing to be signed. I put Malkin at 8.7 like you said and Letang at 6.5. Also, keep in mind that this is with a salary cap of only 64.3 million. I personally think its going to go up but even after 2 years, if it stays at 64.3 million, it would still work. Sure, it would be really tight but it would work nonetheless.

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01-25-2013, 01:14 PM
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Is there a special buyout rule this summer applicable only to the Penguins?

Your skills as a capologist notwithstanding, Shero didn't offer Parise big bucks saying to himself 'gee, if he signs, I'm going to have to move Letang'.
Exactly. Let Shero worry about it. He's got it under control if he can offer Parise & Suter big bucks. And knowing Geno & Letang, I wouldn't be surprised if they took hometown discounts.

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It is possible to keep Letang and acquire Perry assuming the cap is 66M in 14-15. Use capgeek and see for yourself.
Even at 64.3 million, its possible although its really tight and I would have to think about it long and hard before I'd pull the trigger. If its a 66 million, or more, I'd take Perry without thinking about it.

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01-25-2013, 01:21 PM
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To the poster who claimed we couldn't keep Letang and Perry with a 66M cap:

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Chris Kunitz ($3.725m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Corey Perry ($7.000m)
Eric Tangradi ($1.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Matt Cooke ($2.000m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($6.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Derrick Pouliot ($1.350m) / Joe Morrow ($0.894m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) / Olli Maatta ($0.925m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,967,500; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $457,500

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01-25-2013, 01:25 PM
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To the poster who claimed we couldn't keep Letang and Perry with a 66M cap:

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Chris Kunitz ($3.725m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Corey Perry ($7.000m)
Eric Tangradi ($1.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Matt Cooke ($2.000m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($6.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Derrick Pouliot ($1.350m) / Joe Morrow ($0.894m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) / Olli Maatta ($0.925m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,967,500; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $457,500
Just wondering, did you have Despres being traded when making this? If so makes sense cuz I didn't see him in there. Also, you have Bortuzzo and Maatta up. We could send one down if needed to give a minor raise to nay of the bottom 6 guys if they need it.

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01-25-2013, 01:28 PM
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Just wondering, did you have Despres being traded when making this? If so makes sense cuz I didn't see him in there. Also, you have Bortuzzo and Maatta up. We could send one down if needed to give a minor raise to nay of the bottom 6 guys if they need it.
Yea, I'm the OP. This is assuming we trade Despres and Dupuis or TK and Harrington/1st for Perry. We obviously could replace Maata with Despres or Pouliot if we didn't need to trade him to acquire CP.

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Yea, I'm the OP. This is assuming we trade Despres and Dupuis or TK and Harrington/1st for Perry. We obviously could replace Maata with Despres or Pouliot if we didn't need to trade him to acquire CP.
The only thing that I worried about is the trade itself. I think the only we get Perry is if Anaheim is confirmed they can't resign him. Otherwise, they will more than likely do everything they can to sign him, which is good on them though.

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To Pittsburgh:

Corey Perry

To Anaheim:

Simon Despres, Scott Harrington, Pascal Dupuis, 2013 1st Round Pick


Pens fan here. I have a feeling one of Perry or Getzlaf will be moved to the East and I sure don't want one of them moved to a rival team, so I want Shero to make an aggressive offer for CP. He's clearly the perfect winger for the pens; right shot, right wing, physical, nasty shot. I'm not sure if this is a fair offer though so feel free to flame away.
So you consider a couple of prospects, a third liner whose production has probably peaked and a low first round pick to be an aggressive offer for a former MVP in the prime of his career?

I don't see a natural fit between these two teams. I hate to say it, but I think teams like the Flyers and Bruins have a better shot at landing Perry.

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So you consider a couple of prospects, a third liner whose production has probably peaked and a low first round pick to be an aggressive offer for a former MVP in the prime of his career?

I don't see a natural fit between these two teams. I hate to say it, but I think teams like the Flyers and Bruins have a better shot at landing Perry.
If you read the rest of the thread, you will see other revised trades have been suggested. Also, in a deep round like this years, a 1st is worth quite a bit more than usual. And they aren't just a couple of prospects. You'd know if you knew anything about them.

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Perry gets 8 mil for 7 years in free agency. But at the same time, the Pens offered Parise damn near 100 mil.

I don't agree with you Jiggy that the Pens wouldn't look to nab him if they could. Sid left a lot of money on the table, and we have the defense pipeline to make things work capwise longterm.

But unless the Ducks feel they're not going to retain Perry and it's a Hossa/Kovalchuk situation, we don't have the assets to get it done.

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Perry gets 8 mil for 7 years in free agency. But at the same time, the Pens offered Parise damn near 100 mil.

I don't agree with you Jiggy that the Pens wouldn't look to nab him if they could. Sid left a lot of money on the table, and we have the defense pipeline to make things work capwise longterm.

But unless the Ducks feel they're not going to retain Perry and it's a Hossa/Kovalchuk situation, we don't have the assets to get it done.
IMO, I think its the exact opposite. If the Ducks feel that they can't retain Perry, then only can we put together a package worthy enough.

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But if Perry was coming, we'd make room. It can be done by trading away Martin and bringing up one of our defensive prospects. Perry is the kind of guy you take and worry about the cap later. Also, more than likely at least 2 million, if not more will be going back to Anaheim. So as far as the cap situation goes, Penguins have the space for Perry.



We have Bennett but other than that, nothing. Also, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Neal are all in their primes. We need to make the most of it now. Not when they are 33 years old.
I'll put it this way, if you're talking about trading for Perry, we're probably asking for Letang. Now, however unrealistic that may be, we're not going to trade our top end talent for depth players that we've already got. Especially on defense. I'd say our biggest need is a top pairing defenseman, as a matter of fact. Again, regardless of Perry being unsigned, you guys not wanting to give up a lot, etc., I just don't see a deal that would work between the two teams.

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So you consider a couple of prospects, a third liner whose production has probably peaked and a low first round pick to be an aggressive offer for a former MVP in the prime of his career?

I don't see a natural fit between these two teams. I hate to say it, but I think teams like the Flyers and Bruins have a better shot at landing Perry.
Yeah, you could say the same about what was given up for Hossa and Kovalchuk.

Problem is you are taking a big gamble on giving up talent for what could be 20-30 games if they don't sign with you in the offseason ala Hossa.

Personally I'd give up one of the young D studs (preferably Pouliot or Despres), Bennett, Jeffrey, and a 1st for 20-30 games of Perry and taking a chance to sign him.

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So you consider a couple of prospects, a third liner whose production has probably peaked and a low first round pick to be an aggressive offer for a former MVP in the prime of his career?

I don't see a natural fit between these two teams. I hate to say it, but I think teams like the Flyers and Bruins have a better shot at landing Perry.

I don't see the Flyers being a better fit at all based on what they have to trade and what they need to trade whatever assets they have for - defense.

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I'll put it this way, if you're talking about trading for Perry, we're probably asking for Letang. Now, however unrealistic that may be, we're not going to trade our top end talent for depth players that we've already got. Especially on defense. I'd say our biggest need is a top pairing defenseman, as a matter of fact. Again, regardless of Perry being unsigned, you guys not wanting to give up a lot, etc., I just don't see a deal that would work between the two teams.
Letang for Upcoming UFA? I can understand that our deal doesn't work for an elite winger like Perry but if he is an upcoming UFA, its more than fair. And that's why, if you look in my previous posts, I have constantly said "If Anaheim can't retain him" because if they can, our deal isn't good enough for Perry and I understand. Just look at what Hossa and Kovalchuk brought. Nothing compared to what we are willing to give up.

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I'll put it this way, if you're talking about trading for Perry, we're probably asking for Letang. Now, however unrealistic that may be, we're not going to trade our top end talent for depth players that we've already got. Especially on defense. I'd say our biggest need is a top pairing defenseman, as a matter of fact. Again, regardless of Perry being unsigned, you guys not wanting to give up a lot, etc., I just don't see a deal that would work between the two teams.
The entire premise of this thread is what the price would be if we can't sign him, for whatever reason. If that happens we won't be in a position to demand a top pairing defenseman.

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The entire premise of this thread is what the price would be if we can't sign him, for whatever reason. If that happens we won't be in a position to demand a top pairing defenseman.
Exactly. I was just wondering, you being a Ducks fan, what kind of deal would you look for from the Pens?

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I don't see the Flyers being a better fit at all based on what they have to trade and what they need to trade whatever assets they have for - defense.
I do think the Flyers may be a better fit asset-wise, as in they have young, cheap forwards to give up, but really once they`ve given up their cheap forwards for Perry and need to re-sign Giroux and Couturier, they are going to have even less defense than they Pens after fitting Perry in.

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Exactly. I was just wondering, you being a Ducks fan, what kind of deal would you look for from the Pens?
Some of the ones bandied about in this thread are fine, and about what I'd expect in this situation. Granted a need or two might crop up around the time a deal like this would go down, and that might push us one way or another. At the moment we have only one glaring need: a 2C, but we're watching three young players fight it out for that spot(Bonino, Rakell, and Holland). The structure of the proposals seems right.

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