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01-25-2013, 01:17 PM
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Some of the ones bandied about in this thread are fine, and about what I'd expect in this situation. Granted a need or two might crop up around the time a deal like this would go down, and that might push us one way or another. At the moment we have only one glaring need: a 2C, but we're watching three young players fight it out for that spot(Bonino, Rakell, and Holland). The structure of the proposals seems right.
Good to hear because last year was train wreck for Anaheim/Pittsburgh proposals. Hopefully these two teams can work something out.

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01-25-2013, 01:20 PM
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I do think the Flyers may be a better fit asset-wise, as in they have young, cheap forwards to give up, but really once they`ve given up their cheap forwards for Perry and need to re-sign Giroux and Couturier, they are going to have even less defense than they Pens after fitting Perry in.
Please enlighten me on who Philly would give up for Perry. Be serious. I'm not saying they don't have assets, but they won't trade one name you are thinking. The Flyers have less defense now than the Pens do and that's before fitting in Perry.

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01-25-2013, 01:21 PM
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Why are there so many posts assuming that Perry would sign for 6.5-7M? The only way the Ducks couldn't sign him to that cap is if Perry just flat out doesn't want to be here.

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01-25-2013, 01:24 PM
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If Perry goes on the market, UFA or not, the bidding would be way out of the Pens range.

I can't even see him going to the Pens in the Summer either.

Hopefully Ducks find a way to lock him up.
Do you realize how much the Pens offered Parise? I wouldn't say that at all.

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01-25-2013, 01:28 PM
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Do you realize how much the Pens offered Parise? I wouldn't say that at all.
Did Parise sign? No.

It is pretty obvious FAs aren't running to the Pens just because they have Crosby and Malkin.

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01-25-2013, 01:31 PM
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Did Parise sign? No.

It is pretty obvious FAs aren't running to the Pens just because they have Crosby and Malkin.
UMMM ... they offered a hefty contract; therefore, they had the $$$. Someone shouldn't say if Perry went on the market, the Pens would be priced out. That is a retarded statement.

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01-25-2013, 01:32 PM
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Why are there so many posts assuming that Perry would sign for 6.5-7M? The only way the Ducks couldn't sign him to that cap is if Perry just flat out doesn't want to be here.
Correct, Perry is going to get closer to $8 million.

Also, from a Ducks perspective, we would only do a deal if Letang came back, but we would give you Sbisa, a Top 4 defensemen (with upside he is only 22) with a good contract to sweeten the deal. We need a top pairing guy to improve, that is about it (and I dont see Malkin or Crosby coming back)

If not, we would probably shop other teams that are interested to see what we could get. If we know he is not going to sign and it is getting late, we could go for anything I guess.

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01-25-2013, 02:05 PM
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UMMM ... they offered a hefty contract; therefore, they had the $$$. Someone shouldn't say if Perry went on the market, the Pens would be priced out. That is a retarded statement.
Pay attention.

The Pens not only would have to outbid a plethora of other teams for Perry, but he would have to want to actually play for the Pens.

There is zero evidence Pgh is a place UFAs are clamoring to go.

If you want to have your own little fantasies about Perry flanking Crosby, cool.

I prefer to look at the realistic chances of it happening, which are slim at best.

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01-25-2013, 02:16 PM
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Pay attention.

The Pens not only would have to outbid a plethora of other teams for Perry, but he would have to want to actually play for the Pens.

There is zero evidence Pgh is a place UFAs are clamoring to go.

If you want to have your own little fantasies about Perry flanking Crosby, cool.

I prefer to look at the realistic chances of it happening, which are slim at best.
Eh. Parise wanted to play with Suter. Minnesota worked out for them.

We matched what other teams were offering. I'd explore other avenues, but I think it could be a possiblity.

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01-25-2013, 02:28 PM
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Pittsburgh is better off get a 60 pt winger for ~5 M. That suits their cap better, and honestly that's all Crosby really needs to decrease some of the pressure from him.

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01-25-2013, 02:29 PM
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Eh. Parise wanted to play with Suter. Minnesota worked out for them.

We matched what other teams were offering. I'd explore other avenues, but I think it could be a possiblity.
Anything is a possibility, but do you really want a contract like that on the books for the Pens? I love Parise, but Perry is a notch above him. He is THE premiere winger in the game.

You will have 12-15 GMS offering him big money, a few will offer stupid money, and below that will be Shero. Shero will make a middle of the pack offer, and have to rely on the allure of playing with Crosby/Malkin.

As we keep finding out, that perk does little when UFAs are deciding where to go.

Maybe Perry gets to UFA... maybe he thinks Crosby is the coolest and will take a little less to play with him... maybe if you bet your house on it, you will be train hopping.

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01-25-2013, 02:30 PM
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No idea why the Penguins would trade for Perry. They have the 2 best centers in the game, they should be looking for complimentary wingers, rather than paying for elite guys.
Just like they have no idea how Perry would slot in at center when he's a RW?! Seriously, I understand mistakes can be made but thats a pretty big one considering your entire post is sounding awfully foolish.

Perry would be the perfect "complimentary winger". He has tons of credentials. 50 goal scorer, Hart trophy winner, high skill set and is a tough customer. He adds some protection for mush head Sid. I also think Shero could get him re-signed which would make Pitts offense lethal.

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01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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Anything is a possibility, but do you really want a contract like that on the books for the Pens? I love Parise, but Perry is a notch above him. He is THE premiere winger in the game.

You will have 12-15 GMS offering him big money, a few will offer stupid money, and below that will be Shero. Shero will make a middle of the pack offer, and have to rely on the allure of playing with Crosby/Malkin.

As we keep finding out, that perk does little when UFAs are deciding where to go.

Maybe Perry gets to UFA... maybe he thinks Crosby is the coolest and will take a little less to play with him... maybe if you bet your house on it, you will be train hopping.
I'd imagine Shero would want to talk to Perry's agent. But even if he's just a rental, that's a tough one to pass up.

Absurd contract length is out the door. I'd imagine he'll want to go to a Cup contender if he's leaving Anaheim. Do I think Shero would pay him 8 mil for 7 years? Hell yes I do.

But as you said, all we need is a couple of upgrades over what we have right now. Doesn't change the fact Shero would be willing to make the space and trade the assets IMO.

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01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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Just like they have no idea how Perry would slot in at center when he's a RW?! Seriously, I understand mistakes can be made but thats a pretty big one considering your entire post is sounding awfully foolish.

Perry would be the perfect "complimentary winger". He has tons of credentials. 50 goal scorer, Hart trophy winner, high skill set and is a tough customer. He adds some protection for mush head Sid. I also think Shero could get him re-signed which would make Pitts offense lethal.
Plus he comes with Giroux elbowing action!

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Cap-wise the Penguins can afford Perry. They are 9 million under the cap this year and almost 12 million under the cap next year. And the year after that many contracts expire so they will be nearly 40 million under (some big names like Malkin and Letang do need to be resigned however). Shero was ready to give Staal 5 million/year, I'm sure he could fit Perry in.

Now whether or not Anaheim is interested in anything Pittsburgh has to offer is another matter...
I don't think Pitt has anything we would want.

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01-25-2013, 03:22 PM
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If they needed a center something around.

TK, Jeffrey, one of (Despres, Morrow, Pouliot) 1st 2013

If they want Bennett as part of the package, then we take out TK and the three D-man choice and their stuck with Harrington as their choice to look like this.

Bennett, Jeffrey, Harrington, 1st 2013.

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Just curious...does Pittsburgh not have ONE good winger prospect? Not one? With Malkin and Crosby most likely set to be Penguins for life, I'm sure they can find their wingers through the draft- seeing that the ones they have right now are very good (Neal, Kunitz) to decent (Kennedy, Dupuis)- rather than throw big dollars at high-priced UFAs and having to pinch money on other positions?
That would require Shero actually drafting a winger.

We should be looking forward to Forsberg on Sid's wing in a year or two, but we all know who happened.

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Pay attention.

The Pens not only would have to outbid a plethora of other teams for Perry, but he would have to want to actually play for the Pens.

There is zero evidence Pgh is a place UFAs are clamoring to go.

If you want to have your own little fantasies about Perry flanking Crosby, cool.

I prefer to look at the realistic chances of it happening, which are slim at best.
UMMM... don't need to pay attention. I think you need to genius.

"If Perry goes on the market, UFA or not, the bidding would be way out of the Pens range." This was your initial comment. Pittsburgh has the $$$. If Pittsburgh doesn't, neither do many other teams because they are up at the cap, or many won't spend it. You made it out to be a bidding war.

The second part is an opinion of yours and nothing else - you don't see him ending up in Pittsburgh anyway and that is fine. But don't be a fool to think Pittsburgh doesn't have the $$$ which you are making it out to be.

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We're going to know real soon where Perry stands, Dreger speculates he could command/ask for 9 million per. if he does he will not be a duck unless he comes down

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Did Parise sign? No.

It is pretty obvious FAs aren't running to the Pens just because they have Crosby and Malkin.
I believe the point of what the Pens offered Parise was to address the argument that the Pens can't afford to offer a comparable amount to Perry.

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UMMM... don't need to pay attention. I think you need to genius.

"If Perry goes on the market, UFA or not, the bidding would be way out of the Pens range." This was your initial comment. Pittsburgh has the $$$. If Pittsburgh doesn't, neither do many other teams because they are up at the cap, or many won't spend it. You made it out to be a bidding war.

The second part is an opinion of yours and nothing else - you don't see him ending up in Pittsburgh anyway and that is fine. But don't be a fool to think Pittsburgh doesn't have the $$$ which you are making it out to be.
Let me pull you out of your fantasy land for a minute, if possible:

Which option do you thnk is realistic:

A. Shero will be one of the highest bidders for Perry's services?

B. Perry takes a discount to come play with Crosby?

A is obviously never going to happen. If you think Shero will be in the top three bidders, go back to sleep.

B is the only slim chance there is.

Now feel free to list all of the big name FAs who took discounts to play with Crosby/Malkin.

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Why?
Because you guys traded away the perfect return last offseason.

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Is there a special buyout rule this summer applicable only to the Penguins?

Your skills as a capologist notwithstanding, Shero didn't offer Parise big bucks saying to himself 'gee, if he signs, I'm going to have to move Letang'.
Amnesty buyouts this summer, and next summer that don't count against the cap. Martin would cost nothing to buyout.

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Because you guys traded away the perfect return last offseason.
Don't you guys have three up and coming center prospects fighting it out? That's what I heard a couple pages back from an Anaheim fan.

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not a fan of either team, and dislike the pens.

But I'd still love to see a Crosby/Perry Malkin/Neal offence.

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