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01-25-2013, 02:14 PM
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How the hell are you sending a package for Ovechkin without Seguin or Hamilton is beyond me.
Green Carlson Alzner...they're ok in the "stud dman" department.

Ovechkin carries a $10m price tag, Seguin at $6m holds more value

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01-25-2013, 02:14 PM
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Couturier > Galchenyuk

Voracek > Beaulieu

So... yeah



And this is why mods should really go back to locking these threads on sight. Nothing good comes from them.
Couturier has NHL experience from last year while Gally on played 3 games and is a year younger. Gally has more potential than Couturier.

Voracek is 3 years older than Beaulieu, different positions and Beaulieu has yet toi play in the NHL so how Varacek>Beaulieu i dont understand.

Cousins vs 2013 first round pick. 1st round pick DEFINETELY.

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01-25-2013, 02:15 PM
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Even though he's not playing so well, he's still going to cost a fair bit because he always will have that potential to just explode. Oates needs to change the system to involve him more.

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01-25-2013, 02:24 PM
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He's owed about another 88M. Signed a 13 year deal until 2020. 9.538M cap hit.

That's a lot of dough.

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01-25-2013, 02:25 PM
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Are you trying to say that Voracek + 1st (Couturier) + 3rd (Cousins) is pretty much equal to Galchenyuk + Beaulieu + 1st ?

Really ? That's three first round picks...
It depends on your POV, but an argument could be made either way about which is better. It depends on how you feel about the Habs' young guys vs. CBJs. However, I think it's hard to debate that whatever difference there is between the two packages, it isn't the difference between Carter and Ovechkin.

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01-25-2013, 02:25 PM
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How's he been this year?

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01-25-2013, 02:27 PM
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Yeah, let's just forget the first pick we're adding, right ?
So it roughly evens things out considering its probably not a top 10 pick after the trade. Hell Voracek may equal Beauleiu and a late 1st on his own.

Who cares, it's horrible horrible value for Ovechkin.

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01-25-2013, 02:31 PM
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It would have to include a core player, not prospects and a draft pick.

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01-25-2013, 02:32 PM
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Couturier > Galchenyuk

Voracek > Beaulieu

So... yeah



And this is why mods should really go back to locking these threads on sight. Nothing good comes from them.
lock it up all you want. i explained in my previous post why im not even sure i want him on my team.
so yeah based on all factors that's what id be willing to pay.
a #6 overall pick, a top 10 starting goalie and a 1st round pick.

what do i care if washington thinks its enough. if its not its not. im concerned about the Senators and that's what i think he, his salary/contract length and circus is worth to us.
im not trading for 120pt 60goal physical destroyer Ovechkin.

im trading/gambling for top line physical 30-40 goal ppg LW who makes 9.5 million per year. with NINE years left on his contract.
im sure we could find another useful roster player someone cried long enough.

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01-25-2013, 02:33 PM
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There are 2 big dilemmas when people talk about Ovi.

1) His value is very high no matter what many "experts" on HF boards say. But on other hand not many teams would be willing to pay the price, eventho they know they paying big price just cuz his value is big

2) Should Ovi be NA the opinion about his value by HF boards "experts" would change dramatically

P.S I know that all fans do that, overvalue their own players and undervalue others BUT habs fans beat everyone hands down

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01-25-2013, 02:35 PM
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Subban + Glachenyuk + 1st is probably what its gonna take AKA not a good deal for Montreal at this point in time.

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01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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lock it up all you want. i explained in my previous post why im not even sure i want him on my team.
so yeah based on all factors that's what id be willing to pay.
a #6 overall pick, a top 10 starting goalie and a 1st round pick.

what do i care if washington thinks its enough. if its not its not. im concerned about the Senators and that's what i think he, his salary/contract length and circus is worth to us.
im not trading for 120pt 60goal physical destroyer Ovechkin.

im trading/gambling for top line physical 30-40 goal ppg LW who makes 9.5 million per year. with NINE years left on his contract.
im sure we could find another useful roster player someone cried long enough.
If he doesn't make sense for your team why even post a value of package? Do you see Coyotes fans barging in offering Vermette and a 3rd since he doesn't make sense for them either.

Karlsson... hmm... we already have 3 offensively capable RD who are all more physical and we don't really need him, I guess I'd trade Neuvirth and Beagle for him. Throw in Joel Ward if you ask REALLY nicely.

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01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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How's he been this year?
So far looking like a carbon copy of Kovalchuk under MacLean.

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01-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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He's owed about another 88M. Signed a 13 year deal until 2020. 9.538M cap hit.

That's a lot of dough.
That is the only reason that the Capitals could even concieve of moving one of the top 3 players in the world over the last few years.

Thing is, I don't see him being moved, period. He will be back to his regular form soon enough. Another new coach, another new system, the only other winger capable of taking the defense's interest away from him is no longer with the team...what's everyone expecting?

Anyway, for the fun of it, both Sedins+1st for Ovi+Johansson.

Kesler+Edler+1st for Ovi+Green.

Jensen+Gaunce+2013 1st+2015 1st+Corrado+Schneider/Lu+Booth for Ovechkin+roster dumps (logisitics dictate one contract out vs. five in would mean other moving parts...not nessicarily of any value).

None will happen, but in two proposals, I offer all four of our "untouchables", and he other I strip mine our youth (our best prospect at every position, a new starter and a (dumbed down) replacement for the roster.

GMGM nor GMMG would do this, but it's fun to pretend.

I'm calling back to the Bure days

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01-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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Subban + Glachenyuk + 1st is probably what its gonna take AKA not a good deal for Montreal at this point in time.
So I wasn't really THAT far.

I would honestly think about it.

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01-25-2013, 02:40 PM
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I'm probably the biggest Ovechkin homer on this board. I'd consider the first one.

Though I figure this losing is just part of the plan. Not Winnin' for MacKinnon.

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01-25-2013, 02:45 PM
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A 30 goal guy with a 9M cap hit for the next decade? Hmmmmm

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01-25-2013, 02:48 PM
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Couturier > Galchenyuk

Voracek > Beaulieu

So... yeah
Gally is better than Couturier. Couturier will be an elite #2 C, while Gally can be an elite #1 C

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01-25-2013, 02:56 PM
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No way Washington even listens to an offer from Montreal that doesn't include both Price and Galchenyuk. Would likely need one of Pacioretty, Subban, or Gallagher as well.

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What are the Caps lacking right now anyway? That determines how valuable certain pieces would be to them.
If the Caps traded Ovechkin, the best winger they'd have on the roster would be Troy Brouwer. So, yeah.

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01-25-2013, 03:05 PM
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Why are we talking about it ?? It will not happen .. Ovi is in Washington and that it won't move !! Mtl is stupid to trade subban galy and 1 round or even more for ovi ... Ovi got a big contract and is not performing tru expectation !! Ovi will only be traded when he will get like late 30 !! Exactly what happen with jagr !! End of discussion

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01-25-2013, 03:06 PM
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No way Washington even listens to an offer from Montreal that doesn't include both Price and Galchenyuk. Would likely need one of Pacioretty, Subban, or Gallagher as well.


If the Caps traded Ovechkin, the best winger they'd have on the roster would be Troy Brouwer. So, yeah.
Wouldn't even trade Price straight up for OV at this point. Especially not when you look at the depth in goal the team has.

The fact is, if McPhee was going to explore trading OV he would want an amount that would gut a team. I just don't see how any team would want to do that for Ovechkin

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01-25-2013, 03:10 PM
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From the Flyers I'd probably offer something like:
-Brayden Schenn
-Luke Schenn
-Jakub Voracek
-Wayne Simmonds

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01-25-2013, 03:16 PM
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From the Flyers I'd probably offer something like:
-Brayden Schenn
-Luke Schenn
-Jakub Voracek
-Wayne Simmonds
Add in Giroux, and sure.

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Don't flame, I'm just trying to find what's his value.

Would Galchenyuk + Beaulieu + 1st pick be enough ?
He has lost his mojo, not many teams would give a whole lot at this point, he has no motivation and makes way too much money, and has 10-11 yrs left???

The Caps made the mistake, they can keep him...

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How's he been this year?
So far not good, the whole team has been bad...he is heading into the Vinny L era of his career...

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