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01-25-2013, 03:32 PM
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I suggest you read up a bit about PK before you spout nonsense like this.

PK shares nothing similar to Mike Greene, Pk is actually better defensively than he is offensively. The advance metrics put PK in some very elite company.

If Montreal moves him. Marc Bergevin won't be around for very long. I don't see it happening. Couturier is the only player I'm interested in from the flyers that is a realistic option. The flyers don't seem to like it and most habs fans don't like it either.

There is no deal to be made around Read, Mez or any of that. So it won't happen.

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I suggest you read up a bit about PK before you spout nonsense like this.

PK shares nothing similar to Mike Greene, Pk is actually better defensively than he is offensively. The advance metrics put PK in some very elite company.

If Montreal moves him. Marc Bergevin won't be around for very long. I don't see it happening. Couturier is the only player I'm interested in from the flyers that is a realistic option. The flyers don't seem to like it and most habs fans don't like it either.

There is no deal to be made around Read, Mez or any of that. So it won't happen.
As long as no trade happens I'm cool.

You keep the player I don't understand, and we'll keep our player that you think we overrate.

Everyone wins.

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01-25-2013, 03:37 PM
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I suggest you read up a bit about PK before you spout nonsense like this.

PK shares nothing similar to Mike Greene, Pk is actually better defensively than he is offensively. The advance metrics put PK in some very elite company.

If Montreal moves him. Marc Bergevin won't be around for very long. I don't see it happening. Couturier is the only player I'm interested in from the flyers that is a realistic option. The flyers don't seem to like it and most habs fans don't like it either.

There is no deal to be made around Read, Mez or any of that. So it won't happen.
Cmon...Mez is an ironman

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01-25-2013, 03:39 PM
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Cmon...Mez is an ironman
Well, iron is known for being brittle...

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01-25-2013, 03:40 PM
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A top pairing d-man is not a true #1 d-man.

Subban reminds me more of Mike Green than a younger Kimmo Timonen.

Couturier reminds me more of Brind'Amour.

On top of that the Flyers have traded away a lot and thrown away a lot at the nod of Bobby Clarke to create a locker room atmosphere that they like. Regardless of how Subban has his head screwed on, whether rumors are greatly exaggerated or not, you can't believe the upper echelon of Flyersdom is jumping into this without any kind of caution. It doesn't help that the Canadiens management doesn't seem to feel he's worth the contract he would be getting in Philadelphia should he be traded here. Why give up a guy like Couturier for that?

I would not trade Couturier straight up for Subban. Market wise that is fair, but as far as value within the Flyers' organization it is not.

BSchenn? Yes, reluctantly and begrudgingly, but we can't trade him at this point.



That's my favorite option.
No hab gets a big money contract right after their ELC. Price got 2 years, Patches got 2 years. Subban is no different in that respect. Subban would step in as your Number 1 from the day he steps on the ice.

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Well, iron is known for being brittle...
Ahh good point...at least cast iron is I know that...how bout Mesz is Titanium man?


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No hab gets a big money contract right after their ELC. Price got 2 years, Patches got 2 years. Subban is no different in that respect. Subban would step in as your Number 1 from the day he steps on the ice.
If he is so important to your franchise then it's likely you should make an exception.

As far as him being our #1, yeah he's slightly better than both Timonen and Coburn at this point in their respective careers. There's no doubt he would be our #1.

That still doesn't change how I feel about acquiring him. It's not like we're acquiring Chris Pronger here.

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No hab gets a big money contract right after their ELC. Price got 2 years, Patches got 2 years. Subban is no different in that respect. Subban would step in as your Number 1 from the day he steps on the ice.
Yeah but Couturier would be your tallest player from Day 1.

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01-25-2013, 03:55 PM
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This thread needs more Subban love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ekG-3_fcs

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If he is so important to your franchise then it's likely you should make an exception.

As far as him being our #1, yeah he's slightly better than both Timonen and Coburn at this point in their respective careers. There's no doubt he would be our #1.

That still doesn't change how I feel about acquiring him. It's not like we're acquiring Chris Pronger here.
Lol, making an exception for a player would be a terrible first move by Bergevin. He's new and must show the way to go for now and the future.

BTW, comparing Subban to Green is absurd.

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Would love to have PK in orange and black

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Lol, making an exception for a player would be a terrible first move by Bergevin. He's new and must show the way to go for now and the future.

BTW, comparing Subban to Green is absurd.
Why because Mike Green got hurt? Do you quickly forget how dynamic and offensively gifted Mike Green was in his early career?

Then Mike Green started to slowly get better defensively before he got hurt.

Both are pretty bold players both on the ice and in the locker room.

If all you got is "PK is so much better defensively" then you better come up with something real quick. PK is better defensively, but not enough to make the comparison not be pretty solid in my opinion.

Maybe he is better defensively than I believe, but he's still not an all-world #1 defenseman.

In a place with so much offensive depth where he can also get shielded defensively like Philadelphia, PK could very possibly put up early Mike Green-like numbers.

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Yeah but Couturier would be your tallest player from Day 1.
No he wouldnt

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No he wouldnt
Actually, it seems he would be. Your tallest player is listed as 6'2", Couturier is 6'3"

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Would love to have PK in orange and black
it would get us the inside track to working a deal for malcom down the line. simmonds and the subban bros.. thats some chocolate thunder. ow. unstoppable sucka. but I'm talking bout shaft

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Actually, it seems he would be. Your tallest player is listed as 6'2", Couturier is 6'3"
Price is 6`3

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Price is 6`3
OK then, tallest skater.

Most people don't take goalies into account when discussing team size, since they aren't the ones playing defense/offense and jostling for position.

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Why because Mike Green got hurt? Do you quickly forget how dynamic and offensively gifted Mike Green was in his early career?

Then Mike Green started to slowly get better defensively before he got hurt.

Both are pretty bold players both on the ice and in the locker room.

If all you got is "PK is so much better defensively" then you better come up with something real quick. PK is better defensively, but not enough to make the comparison not be pretty solid in my opinion.

Maybe he is better defensively than I believe, but he's still not an all-world #1 defenseman.

In a place with so much offensive depth where he can also get shielded defensively like Philadelphia, PK could very possibly put up early Mike Green-like numbers.
Not yet, but I believe he can be.

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OK then, tallest skater.

Most people don't take goalies into account when discussing team size, since they aren't the ones playing defense/offense and jostling for position.
they arent?

Arent they the ones who are trying to look around, under, over guys in front of the net?

Ok so coot would be the talled hab skater....what does that have to do with anything? He is thin as a rail where as Subban hits like a train.

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I'm confused why we don't offer sheet him?

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they arent?

Arent they the ones who are trying to look around, under, over guys in front of the net?
Nobody calls Nashville a big team because Rinne is tall. Nobody discusses the Habs and says "Oh, they actually aren't small! They have Price!"

Skater size and perceived team size are completely separate from the goalie.

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I'm confused why we don't offer sheet him?
because offer sheeting is a quick way to make enemies.

if the deal was subban for couturier straight up, i still wouldn't do it.

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Why because Mike Green got hurt? Do you quickly forget how dynamic and offensively gifted Mike Green was in his early career?

Then Mike Green started to slowly get better defensively before he got hurt.

Both are pretty bold players both on the ice and in the locker room.

If all you got is "PK is so much better defensively" then you better come up with something real quick. PK is better defensively, but not enough to make the comparison not be pretty solid in my opinion.

Maybe he is better defensively than I believe, but he's still not an all-world #1 defenseman.

In a place with so much offensive depth where he can also get shielded defensively like Philadelphia, PK could very possibly put up early Mike Green-like numbers.
Subban is better defensively, a lot more dynamic/energetic and way more physical. Subban is the whole package at 23 years old. Already 2 seasons under his belt being the go to guy in all situations. Sky is the limit for this guy, Bergevin won't trade him, especially not to a conference rival.

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I'm confused why we don't offer sheet him?
Personally I think its cause the habs will likely match almost any offer. Any offer they wont match would cost the flyers so many high end picks it might be better to trade instead.

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Also, there isn't any offersheet we can make that Montreal can't match. They have more cap space as well. It would be meaningless; though I doubt it matters if it "makes enemies" because I don't see how Philly and Montreal can be good trading partners aside from Subban anyways.

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