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01-25-2013, 03:19 PM
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1st & Kayes for Ribeiro? No, thank you

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01-25-2013, 03:21 PM
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I think Kevin Hayes was a 1st rounder.
Is he worth a 1st rounder three years after he was picked in the 1st round? Or where can we get our 1st round pick for Hamill?
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1st & Kayes for Ribeiro? No, thank you
If you have another prospect who is a lock to be a bottom line NHL forward (kinda like our Garrett Mitchell), I'll take him.

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01-25-2013, 03:24 PM
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Wild say no. We don't need any more 2nd/3rd line tweener forwards.

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The jets will take Hamrlik or Poti for a 4th or 5th.

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01-25-2013, 03:25 PM
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We can both agree that Hayes isn't playing like a 1st rd pick. But if you'd rather give Nordstrom, I'm ok with it.
I don't think we can agree on that, at all. 22pts in 21 games playing 2nd line mins for a top team in college.

I don't see how Charlie Coyle or Emerson Etem are worth more than him at this point and I think those guys are playing like 1st round picks.

I would MUCH rather give up Nordstrom. But I am still skeptical about giving this years 1st round pick for a rental F, would much rather include a 1st round pick for a vet goalie like a Nabokov or Anderson (if they fall out of the playoffs) or a young prospect like Bernier, even then I am skeptical about it.

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01-25-2013, 03:30 PM
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I don't think we can agree on that, at all. 22pts in 21 games playing 2nd line mins for a top team in college.

I don't see how Charlie Coyle or Emerson Etem are worth more than him at this point and I think those guys are playing like 1st round picks.

I would MUCH rather give up Nordstrom. But I am still skeptical about giving this years 1st round pick for a rental F, would much rather include a 1st round pick for a vet goalie like a Nabokov or Anderson (if they fall out of the playoffs) or a young prospect like Bernier, even then I am skeptical about it.
Well, I based my opinion on Hayes a lot on his HF grade and rank. If you think he's that valuable, I'd take Nordstrom without question. Still think your comparison to Coyle/Etem is a huge stretch though.
Would you trade first for Neuvirth?

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01-25-2013, 11:15 PM
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Well, I based my opinion on Hayes a lot on his HF grade and rank. If you think he's that valuable, I'd take Nordstrom without question. Still think your comparison to Coyle/Etem is a huge stretch though.
Would you trade first for Neuvirth?
So you've never seen him play or looked at his stats? I don't think comparing Hayes to those 2 guys is a stretch at all.

And no, no chance Hawks trade a 1st for a goalie that doesn't improve the starter position.

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01-25-2013, 11:18 PM
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um, what?

we need forwards. we are trading a DMan (one that is like 10th on the organizational depth chart) for one in that deal, AND getting a 3rd rounder.

Devils do that deal 10000% of the time.
if i'm giving up any assets, i'm doing so getting rid of a defensemen currently in the NHL so I can free up a spot for Larsson. Would rather package Urbom + Tallinder/Volchenkov for a better forward.

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01-25-2013, 11:51 PM
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Outside of the fact that I simply don't like Mike Ribeiro, why has his trade value gone up from the summer where he was traded for Cody Eakin and a 2nd? And, not to mention, he'll be a UFA at the end of this season.

I would like Neuvirth from Washington, but would in no way give up a 1st round pick for him.

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01-26-2013, 12:19 AM
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Outside of the fact that I simply don't like Mike Ribeiro, why has his trade value gone up from the summer where he was traded for Cody Eakin and a 2nd? And, not to mention, he'll be a UFA at the end of this season.

I would like Neuvirth from Washington, but would in no way give up a 1st round pick for him.
As has been said elsewhere in this thread, his value was lower at that time because the lockout was looming and there was a decent chance anyone trading for him would basically be giving up assets for nothing. And his value then was still pretty decent. Eakin's a very underrated prospect, his value plus the mid second easily add up to a 1st +.

And of course, prices are always higher at the deadline because of supply and demand. There's a reason guys like Paul Gaustad can get a 1st + at the deadline.

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01-26-2013, 12:41 AM
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As has been said elsewhere in this thread, his value was lower at that time because the lockout was looming and there was a decent chance anyone trading for him would basically be giving up assets for nothing. And his value then was still pretty decent. Eakin's a very underrated prospect, his value plus the mid second easily add up to a 1st +.

And of course, prices are always higher at the deadline because of supply and demand. There's a reason guys like Paul Gaustad can get a 1st + at the deadline.
I was and continue to be of the belief that the people actually involved in the CBA negotiations (Owners for example) knew before the CBA expired that there was no chance the season would be lost. Easy to say now, but that's what I believed the whole way through. So, when you say Ribeiro's value was lower because a team was potentially giving something up for nothing, I don't buy it because I don't think anyone heavily involved in the CBA thought the season may actually be lost.

Eakin is a good prospect, but he's no better than Hayes and Hayes is finally starting to look like the player he was described as heading into the 2010 draft. So, even if you say Hayes = Eakin, the 1st trumps the 2nd easily.. and again, Ribeiro will be a UFA at the end of the year.

I'm not saying Washington couldn't get that for Ribeiro, at some point.. but I wouldn't pay that and I doubt Chicago would either. Ribeiro's just not worth it IMO.

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01-26-2013, 02:09 AM
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Wild say no. We don't need any more 2nd/3rd line tweener forwards.
Is Seto available on the cheap(ish)?

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01-26-2013, 06:16 AM
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So you've never seen him play or looked at his stats? I don't think comparing Hayes to those 2 guys is a stretch at all.

And no, no chance Hawks trade a 1st for a goalie that doesn't improve the starter position.
I can respond you with the same message now. Doesn't improve over Crawford? How is that ever possible?

Watch yesterday's game against the Devils if you want to see Neuvy.

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01-26-2013, 07:36 AM
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Neuvirth was great against us yesterday but so was Marty they both kept their respective team in it

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They seem okay. Not okay with the Johansson trade though, other than that, they could work

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01-26-2013, 11:52 AM
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Why is Perreault(sp?) being scratched?

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Why is Perreault(sp?) being scratched?
I think Oates just wanted to shake things up and give Fehr a look. Perreault was not worse than other guys... I don't know why Oates picked him, but of bottom-6 players, Perreault is the only on who's not a checker, so that's why maybe.

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01-26-2013, 11:59 AM
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By Gormley's age, Carlson had already captained his team to gold at the WJC, won a Calder Cup, and made his NHL debut (on a 1st place team). 20 year old Carlson was way ahead of 20 year old Gormley.
Hard not to notice that two of the things you mention are teams accomplishments, and the it's not like making the NHL debut is a huge accomplishment when you look at what the was on the Caps blueline at the time. And I know that Carlson had the OT GWG against the Canadiens, and if I remember correctly, was a major contributor to the Calder Cup. Note: in no way am I denigrating anything that JC has accomplished so far in his career - and I'd love to have him on "my" team. I see him as an upper tier 1st pair d-man when he gains additional experience.

None of that change the fact (from my perspective) that PHO values Gormley exactly like the Caps did Carlson, and I don't see how the Yotes giving the appropriate development time to Gormley decreases his value. Just IMO, the Caps would NEVER have made that type of deal for Carlson.

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01-26-2013, 12:28 PM
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It's rebuild/re-tool time!

Johansson + Brouwer for O'Reilly

COL:
Landeskog-Duchene-PAP EJ-Wilson
McGinn-Stastny-Jones Hejda-O'byrne
Brouwer-Johansson-Hejduk Barrie-Zanon
Mcleod-Mitchell-Bordeleau
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Ovechkin for Ryan, Sbisa, Smith-Pelley, 2nd

ANA:
Ovechkin-Getzlaf-Perry Lydman-Beauchemin
Selanne-Bonino-Palmieri Fowler-Souray
Cogliano-Koivu-Winnik Allen-Lindholm
Beleskey-Rakell-
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Green, Chimera for Cullen, Coyle, Larsson

MIN:
Parise-Koivu-Heatley Suter-Green
Bouchard-Granlund-Setoguchi Brodin-Gilbert
Chimera-Brodziak-Clutterbuck Scandella-Falk
Powe-Konopka-Mitchell
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Ribeiro, Neuvirth, Hamrlik for Shaw, Leddy

Chi:
Saad-Toews-Hossa Keith-Seabrook
Sharp-Ribeiro-Kane Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Stalberg-Bolland-Bickell Hamrlik-Rozsival
Bollig-Kruger-Frolik
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Perreault, Ana 2nd for Merrill
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Tank this season, build around players that lead by example, Backstrom, Laich, Beagle, Hendricks, Alzner, Carlson (not saying all of them are core players)

Finnish the season with

Wolski-Backstrom-Ryan
Laich-O'Reilly-Fehr
Shaw-Cullen-Smith Pelley
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Sbisa-Orlov
Erskine-Leddy
Kundratek

Holtby
Saburin

Flip Erskine, Schultz, Hillen for some picks.

So to conclude:
Ovechkin, Green, Johansson, Brouwer, Chimera, Ribeiro, Neuvirth, Perreault

for

O'Reilly, Ryan, Sbisa, Smith-Pelley, Shaw, Leddy, Cullen, Coyle, Larsson, Merrill

Next season Forsberg, Larsson, Coyle, Merrill, and maybe Wilson should be ready.

Forsberg-Backstrom-Ryan
Laich-O'Reilly-Coyle
Shaw-Larsson-DSP
Hendricks-Beagle-Wilson

Alzner-Carlson
Sbisa-Orlov
Merrill-Leddy
Schilling

Holtby
Veteran back-up/Grubauer

Take a down year or two to gain experience, sprinkle with Kuznetsov when he's ready to come over, and challenge for the cup for the next decade!

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Ribeiro, Neuvirth, Hamrlik for Shaw, Leddy

Chi:
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Sharp-Ribeiro-Kane Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Stalberg-Bolland-Bickell Hamrlik-Rozsival
Bollig-Kruger-Frolik

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I think Oates just wanted to shake things up and give Fehr a look. Perreault was not worse than other guys... I don't know why Oates picked him, but of bottom-6 players, Perreault is the only on who's not a checker, so that's why maybe.
What's his game like in general.

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Ribs is not a great fit for CHI- we'd be interested in Neuvirth but really what we have lots of is NHL ready or near - ready prospects... really just prospects in general:

Shaw
Pirri
Hayes
Hayes
McNeil
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01-26-2013, 01:31 PM
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No way we move Leddy for 2 UFA's and a goalie who has shown to be no better then Crawford at this time

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If Ubrom is traded, it'll be in a package with a Devils defence-man. The big club have too many of those.

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What's his game like in general.
Skilled, not a bad skater, not physical, not a defensive liability, does a little bit of everything. Doesn't have an outstanding strength nor glaring weakness in his game.

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