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We can both agree that Hayes isn't playing like a 1st rd pick. But if you'd rather give Nordstrom, I'm ok with it.
I don't think we can agree on that, at all. 22pts in 21 games playing 2nd line mins for a top team in college.
I don't see how Charlie Coyle or Emerson Etem are worth more than him at this point and I think those guys are playing like 1st round picks.
I would MUCH rather give up Nordstrom. But I am still skeptical about giving this years 1st round pick for a rental F, would much rather include a 1st round pick for a vet goalie like a Nabokov or Anderson (if they fall out of the playoffs) or a young prospect like Bernier, even then I am skeptical about it.
I don't think we can agree on that, at all. 22pts in 21 games playing 2nd line mins for a top team in college.
I don't see how Charlie Coyle or Emerson Etem are worth more than him at this point and I think those guys are playing like 1st round picks.
I would MUCH rather give up Nordstrom. But I am still skeptical about giving this years 1st round pick for a rental F, would much rather include a 1st round pick for a vet goalie like a Nabokov or Anderson (if they fall out of the playoffs) or a young prospect like Bernier, even then I am skeptical about it.
Well, I based my opinion on Hayes a lot on his HF grade and rank. If you think he's that valuable, I'd take Nordstrom without question. Still think your comparison to Coyle/Etem is a huge stretch though.
Would you trade first for Neuvirth?
Well, I based my opinion on Hayes a lot on his HF grade and rank. If you think he's that valuable, I'd take Nordstrom without question. Still think your comparison to Coyle/Etem is a huge stretch though.
Would you trade first for Neuvirth?
So you've never seen him play or looked at his stats? I don't think comparing Hayes to those 2 guys is a stretch at all.
And no, no chance Hawks trade a 1st for a goalie that doesn't improve the starter position.
we need forwards. we are trading a DMan (one that is like 10th on the organizational depth chart) for one in that deal, AND getting a 3rd rounder.
Devils do that deal 10000% of the time.
if i'm giving up any assets, i'm doing so getting rid of a defensemen currently in the NHL so I can free up a spot for Larsson. Would rather package Urbom + Tallinder/Volchenkov for a better forward.
Outside of the fact that I simply don't like Mike Ribeiro, why has his trade value gone up from the summer where he was traded for Cody Eakin and a 2nd? And, not to mention, he'll be a UFA at the end of this season.
I would like Neuvirth from Washington, but would in no way give up a 1st round pick for him.
Outside of the fact that I simply don't like Mike Ribeiro, why has his trade value gone up from the summer where he was traded for Cody Eakin and a 2nd? And, not to mention, he'll be a UFA at the end of this season.
I would like Neuvirth from Washington, but would in no way give up a 1st round pick for him.
As has been said elsewhere in this thread, his value was lower at that time because the lockout was looming and there was a decent chance anyone trading for him would basically be giving up assets for nothing. And his value then was still pretty decent. Eakin's a very underrated prospect, his value plus the mid second easily add up to a 1st +.
And of course, prices are always higher at the deadline because of supply and demand. There's a reason guys like Paul Gaustad can get a 1st + at the deadline.
As has been said elsewhere in this thread, his value was lower at that time because the lockout was looming and there was a decent chance anyone trading for him would basically be giving up assets for nothing. And his value then was still pretty decent. Eakin's a very underrated prospect, his value plus the mid second easily add up to a 1st +.
And of course, prices are always higher at the deadline because of supply and demand. There's a reason guys like Paul Gaustad can get a 1st + at the deadline.
I was and continue to be of the belief that the people actually involved in the CBA negotiations (Owners for example) knew before the CBA expired that there was no chance the season would be lost. Easy to say now, but that's what I believed the whole way through. So, when you say Ribeiro's value was lower because a team was potentially giving something up for nothing, I don't buy it because I don't think anyone heavily involved in the CBA thought the season may actually be lost.
Eakin is a good prospect, but he's no better than Hayes and Hayes is finally starting to look like the player he was described as heading into the 2010 draft. So, even if you say Hayes = Eakin, the 1st trumps the 2nd easily.. and again, Ribeiro will be a UFA at the end of the year.
I'm not saying Washington couldn't get that for Ribeiro, at some point.. but I wouldn't pay that and I doubt Chicago would either. Ribeiro's just not worth it IMO.
I think Oates just wanted to shake things up and give Fehr a look. Perreault was not worse than other guys... I don't know why Oates picked him, but of bottom-6 players, Perreault is the only on who's not a checker, so that's why maybe.
By Gormley's age, Carlson had already captained his team to gold at the WJC, won a Calder Cup, and made his NHL debut (on a 1st place team). 20 year old Carlson was way ahead of 20 year old Gormley.
Hard not to notice that two of the things you mention are teams accomplishments, and the it's not like making the NHL debut is a huge accomplishment when you look at what the was on the Caps blueline at the time. And I know that Carlson had the OT GWG against the Canadiens, and if I remember correctly, was a major contributor to the Calder Cup. Note: in no way am I denigrating anything that JC has accomplished so far in his career - and I'd love to have him on "my" team. I see him as an upper tier 1st pair d-man when he gains additional experience.
None of that change the fact (from my perspective) that PHO values Gormley exactly like the Caps did Carlson, and I don't see how the Yotes giving the appropriate development time to Gormley decreases his value. Just IMO, the Caps would NEVER have made that type of deal for Carlson.
Chi:
Saad-Toews-Hossa Keith-Seabrook
Sharp-Ribeiro-Kane Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Stalberg-Bolland-Bickell Hamrlik-Rozsival
Bollig-Kruger-Frolik
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Tank this season, build around players that lead by example, Backstrom, Laich, Beagle, Hendricks, Alzner, Carlson (not saying all of them are core players)
I think Oates just wanted to shake things up and give Fehr a look. Perreault was not worse than other guys... I don't know why Oates picked him, but of bottom-6 players, Perreault is the only on who's not a checker, so that's why maybe.
Ribs is not a great fit for CHI- we'd be interested in Neuvirth but really what we have lots of is NHL ready or near - ready prospects... really just prospects in general:
If Ubrom is traded, it'll be in a package with a Devils defence-man. The big club have too many of those.
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Skilled, not a bad skater, not physical, not a defensive liability, does a little bit of everything. Doesn't have an outstanding strength nor glaring weakness in his game.
