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01-25-2013, 01:41 PM
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Despres out of the lineup might be to get Lovejoy/bortuzzo some game action. Or he could be traded.... Im thinking its the first alternative tho. You dont wanna have players sitting out games and then throw them into game action in 10-15 games. Talk about rusty

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01-25-2013, 01:44 PM
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Seto does seem like an ideal target. We have plenty of defense to offer but the right fit for the Wild is tough to identify. Despres has the upside they'd like but Niskanen is a much more steady NHL contributor than Despres at the moment.
I agree... plus, the fact that they trust Shero, have a solid relationship with him and know what they're getting from our roster only makes it that much more plausible of it happening, in my opinion. I just feel as though it would involve one of Despres, Niskanen or even Lovejoy/Bortuzzo if we throw in somebody else they really like (eg. possibly TK but they need to balance the number of players in a multiplayer deal given that they are at the 50 contract limit).

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01-25-2013, 01:44 PM
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Rossi& Dejan battling it out to be the biggest turds in the pittsburgh sports media market! Color me as shocked!

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Despres out of the lineup might be to get Lovejoy/bortuzzo some game action. Or he could be traded.... Im thinking its the first alternative tho. You dont wanna have players sitting out games and then throw them into game action in 10-15 games. Talk about rusty
Trying to manage exhaustion/rust in this condensed season is something that's causing a lot of odd line combos and scratches around the league. I wouldn't be shocked to see Lovejoy and Bort swapped out with various D-men throughout the season to give them rest or just keep the Reverend and Bort from getting too stiff. Same thing with DJ and our bottom six, assuming DJ doesn't **** the bed like he did that first game.

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01-25-2013, 01:54 PM
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I agree.

Seto does seem like an ideal target. We have plenty of defense to offer but the right fit for the Wild is tough to identify. Despres has the upside they'd like but Niskanen is a much more steady NHL contributor than Despres at the moment.
Depends if the organization sees Despres as a viable top 4 option this year.

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01-25-2013, 01:58 PM
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Rossi& Dejan battling it out to be the biggest turds in the pittsburgh sports media market! Color me as shocked!
Nobody is going to remove Mark Madden's crown in that area. So, Dejean got to go on Toronto TV and explain his Trib article. I guess mission accomplished because who doesn't love the media using events to promote themselves?

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01-25-2013, 03:14 PM
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I find that the people that like sports but dislike Madden usually dislike him because they can't face up to the fact that fans are usually idiots and all that is black and gold does not necessarily gleam.

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I find that the people that like sports but dislike Madden usually dislike him because they can't face up to the fact that fans are usually idiots and all that is black and gold does not necessarily gleam.
See the thing that separates Madden from the others is that he obviously does not take himself seriously. DK and Rossi do. Big difference.

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I find that the people that like sports but dislike Madden usually dislike him because they can't face up to the fact that fans are usually idiots and all that is black and gold does not necessarily gleam.
It's mostly Stiller fans that hate Madden because he doesn't cheerlead them and he realizes that 70's yinzer smashmouth doesn't work in today's NFL.

One thing Madden emphasizes about the Pens that too many fans don't get is that they are a "win now" team. You don't waste time waiting for prospects to mature while Crosby and Malkin are in their primes. You can trade a little bit of the future for players that can help you right now.

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Yikes - quite a fall from grace for Depres, but I guess you had to see it coming with his conditioning issues.

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01-25-2013, 03:27 PM
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Nobody is going to remove Mark Madden's crown in that area. So, Dejean got to go on Toronto TV and explain his Trib article. I guess mission accomplished because who doesn't love the media using events to promote themselves?
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I find that the people that like sports but dislike Madden usually dislike him because they can't face up to the fact that fans are usually idiots and all that is black and gold does not necessarily gleam.
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It's mostly Stiller fans that hate Madden because he doesn't cheerlead them and he realizes that 70's yinzer smashmouth doesn't work in today's NFL.

One thing Madden emphasizes about the Pens that too many fans don't get is that they are a "win now" team. You don't waste time waiting for prospects to mature while Crosby and Malkin are in their primes. You can trade a little bit of the future for players that can help you right now.
I think the biggest problem with Madden is, while he doesn't take himself too seriously, he still overvalues himself.

I've never quite understood the self proclamation of "The king of Pittsburgh sports talk"...most of the listeners/callers are morons. So he's proud that of all the blowhards that said morons could listen/call, the morons like him the best? Is that something to be proud of?

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01-25-2013, 03:30 PM
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I think the biggest problem with Madden is, while he doesn't take himself too seriously, he still overvalues himself.

I've never quite understood the self proclamation of "The king of Pittsburgh sports talk"...most of the listeners/callers are morons. So he's proud that of all the blowhards that said morons could listen/call, the morons like him the best? Is that something to be proud of?
See I understand what you're saying, but you don't think a large part of that is an act to get people fired up that don't know any better? I mean christ, he calls himself the Super Genius. Stuff like that is obviously a joke, but I really believe it grinds a lot of people's gears.

As far as the callers, check out the Fan sometime, aka Pittsburgh's sports talk radio wasteland. Madden's callers aren't special in terms of stupidity, and the Fan is way worse. Having consistently intelligent callers is simply an unreasonable goal for any sports guy on the radio. You can have DECENT callers, but that's where it ends.

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01-25-2013, 03:38 PM
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Wasn't Madden the one who claimed that a Zubrus for Hrdina deal was imminent and basically agreed upon?

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Wasn't Madden the one who claimed that a Zubrus for Hrdina deal was imminent and basically agreed upon?
Pretty much, though I'm not sure where these kinds of arguments against sports journalists/radio hosts comes from. It's kind of like talking about a president and saying "Wasn't he the one that had that really stupid policy that one time?" and then smirking as if to say "Nailed it!".

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Mark Madden's childlike giddiness around strippers / exotic dancers always gets me though. When Jenna Haze shows up in the studio, he acts like a 5 year old on Christmas.

I guess it kinda makes sense though. With his poor hygiene and grotesque figure, being on the radio with a porn star is probably the closest he ever gets to a female.

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Yikes - quite a fall from grace for Depres, but I guess you had to see it coming with his conditioning issues.
What conditioning issues?

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Lets set a few things straight:

1) Rossi knows a moderate amount about the Pittsburgh Penguins

2) He knows basically nothing about the NHL at large.

3) Nobody within our organization or any other is making him privy to any pertinent info like potential trades or roster moves.

If WE see him as a clown, imagine how the team feels about him.

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The other problem has been conditioning.
I can tell you the Penguins were plenty disappointed with how Despres reported to camp two summers ago. And they had every right. He wasn’t hitting the weights, wasn’t watching his waist, and it very much showed on the ice. Some went so far as to question his dedication.
But that, by all accounts, changed this past offseason and carried into a season at Wilkes-Barre that’s been steady if unspectacular.


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Lets set a few things straight:

1) Rossi knows a moderate amount about the Pittsburgh Penguins

2) He knows basically nothing about the NHL at large.

3) Nobody within our organization or any other is making him privy to any pertinent info like potential trades or roster moves.

If WE see him as a clown, imagine how the team feels about him.
I remember how James Neal felt about him at the end of the year interviews last year. I think Rossi had predicted like 10 or 11 goals for Neal and then asked him how many he thought for this year and Neal looked like he wanted to clock him. Wish he would have.

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Yikes - quite a fall from grace for Depres, but I guess you had to see it coming with his conditioning issues.
And Bylsma's coaching issues.

It's a no win proposition for the Pens. If Lovejoy ***** out, then it was a wasted game. If Lovejoy plays servicably, then the coaching staff will continue to think that regular season adequacy translates to a guy who can play in the playoffs, all evidence of the past two post seasons to the contrary notwithstanding.

NOBODY here thought Despres played flawlessly. But, he was better against Toronto-- as opposed to most Pens defensemen, and as opposed to Engo who's just blown the first THREE games. And, he showed the promise that a guy like Lovejoy never could.

The point in playing Despres isn't for now. The point in playing Despres is for April.

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Oh, o'k, since Dejan said it . . .

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All of the conflicting info that's been reported about Despres in the Trib in the past month is hard to reconcile. But it would clear things up a good bit if it turns out this first week was about showcasing him for a trade.

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All of the conflicting info that's been reported about Despres in the Trib in the past month is hard to reconcile. But it would clear things up a good bit if it turns out this first week was about showcasing him for a trade.
I could get that, but I'm still stuck on something: Why Lovejoy over Bortuzzo?

Sometimes, I wonder if we get so focused on the idea that there had to be a logical explanation for a bad coaching decision that we ignore the most obvious answer.

I mean, if we say maybe Tangradi can't cut it because he stinks, then why can't we say maybe the Pens aren't a good hockey team because they've got a coach who stinks (with X's and O's, with handling one of his two most important players, with young players, etc)?

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01-25-2013, 05:27 PM
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Oh, o'k, since Dejan said it . . .
My thoughts exactly.

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All of the conflicting info that's been reported about Despres in the Trib in the past month is hard to reconcile. But it would clear things up a good bit if it turns out this first week was about showcasing him for a trade.
The sense that I got was the coaching staff was pushing management to keep Despres up this season. Feeling he could contribute now.

If they were showcasing him, then it'd be Shero that would push DB to keep him around.

Odd indeed.

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