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01-25-2013, 04:40 PM
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I would love to have him back.

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01-25-2013, 05:30 PM
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When he is eligible to be brought back he should be brought back. He can play 12-15 minutes a game on the 3rd or 4th line but more importantly give some creativity to the powerplay. He is not a superstar but there is nothing wrong with him being a 40-50 point player.
he could score 50 points on the 85-86 oilers maybe...

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01-25-2013, 05:32 PM
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i think zucarelo could put 20-10 season that about 100 points..

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01-25-2013, 05:35 PM
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I donīt believe that for a second. If another NHL team offers him a good one way deal, of course he will consider it. His dream has, and still is, to play in the NHL, thatīs his own words.

One of the main reasons he signed with Magnitogorsk was that he got an NHL clause after the first season, no other KHL team that offered him a contract would give him this clause.

I think we will se him in the NHL next season, either for Rangers or another NHL team.
Its actually a bit hard to interpret what he is saying. I would guess that he is saying in principle that he is a RFA. In other words, he can sign with us and not another team (he won't get offer sheeted...).

I have a hard time seeing him turning down a trade or something.

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I would love to have him back.
ditto...there's a reason the rangers did not trade his rights and why he is on their reserve list, they seem as a part of this team in the future. He found his stride last season before the injury AND his contract in the khl has an nhl out clause after the first season

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01-25-2013, 08:09 PM
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he could score 50 points on the 85-86 oilers maybe...
He already has shown he is good for. 5 points per game as a rookie. That is already 41 points a year in limited playing time

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01-25-2013, 08:46 PM
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He already has shown he is good for. 5 points per game as a rookie. That is already 41 points a year in limited playing time
Yeah, complete schlubs like Datsyuk averaged .5 ppg in his first 70 games as a rookie. Tell Zukes to stay in the KHL.

Some people. Sigh. Our power play was at its best last year with Frodo on it.

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01-25-2013, 09:45 PM
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I would love to have him back.
Just what this team needs, another soft as butter small finesse player!

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01-26-2013, 04:20 AM
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I think he could make a differense, don't think he could stick around though..

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Just what this team needs, another soft as butter small finesse player!
NYR STATS 2013 on PP
Brad Richards - 22:00 PP time - 1 assist
Marian Gaborik - 19:54 PP time - 1 assist
Ryan Callahan - 19:33 PP time - 1 goal
Rick Nash - 19:01 PP time - 0 points
Derek Stepan - 12:38 PP time - 1 assist
Carl Hagelin - 7:08 PP time - 0 points
Taylor Pyatt - 5:51 PP time - 1 goal
Brian Boyle - 2:34 PP time - 0 points

PP per year
2013 - 11% PP percentage - 26th in NHL (includes 4 "5 on 3s" as well in small size of play)
2011/2012 - 16% PP percentage - 23rd in NHL
2010/2011 - 18,5% PP percentage - 18th in NHL

2011/2012 with Hobbit on PP - 24% PP percentage - 1st in NHL
2011/2012 without Frodo on PP - 15% PP percentage - 27th in NHL

I know it is a small sample size so far, but our PP is a DISASTER under Torts and so this year worse than ever. Anything that would help this should be tried. Not saying that the Hobbit would be a savior or anything, but as a PP specialist he could hardly be worse that what has been on the ice so far! We got plenty of size to go around on the team as is...

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01-26-2013, 05:56 AM
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I do agree we should stop talking about this option until its an option. I am the first one to bring his name up which I shouldnt

Zuke will be back once the season is done oveseas. We already know players can come over then so it will happen cause it cant hurt , they only have 12 F on the roster right now

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01-26-2013, 06:20 AM
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NYR STATS 2013 on PP
Brad Richards - 22:00 PP time - 1 assist
Marian Gaborik - 19:54 PP time - 1 assist
Ryan Callahan - 19:33 PP time - 1 goal
Rick Nash - 19:01 PP time - 0 points
Derek Stepan - 12:38 PP time - 1 assist
Carl Hagelin - 7:08 PP time - 0 points
Taylor Pyatt - 5:51 PP time - 1 goal
Brian Boyle - 2:34 PP time - 0 points

PP per year
2013 - 11% PP percentage - 26th in NHL (includes 4 "5 on 3s" as well in small size of play)
2011/2012 - 16% PP percentage - 23rd in NHL
2010/2011 - 18,5% PP percentage - 18th in NHL

2011/2012 with Hobbit on PP - 24% PP percentage - 1st in NHL
2011/2012 without Frodo on PP - 15% PP percentage - 27th in NHL

I know it is a small sample size so far, but our PP is a DISASTER under Torts and so this year worse than ever. Anything that would help this should be tried. Not saying that the Hobbit would be a savior or anything, but as a PP specialist he could hardly be worse that what has been on the ice so far! We got plenty of size to go around on the team as is...
i could live with him as a pp specialist assuming there's room on the roster. i'm not sure it's a luxury the rangers could afford. but i think, in the nhl, he's not a top six guy on a good team. but he could probably be ok with some space like he'd get on the power play.

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i could live with him as a pp specialist assuming there's room on the roster. i'm not sure it's a luxury the rangers could afford. but i think, in the nhl, he's not a top six guy on a good team. but he could probably be ok with some space like he'd get on the power play.
They have the luxury to dress players that skates to center ice and punch people, then sits and helps Marty open the gate for the rest of the game, so I assume you could exchange one of those for a real hockey player.

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01-28-2013, 10:37 PM
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Every year we have the same conversation when we come to the realization that our PP is terribad and every year he falls out of favor with Torts. I see no reason to believe that he'll be back and if he does come back it won't be anything but temporary.

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01-28-2013, 11:46 PM
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Every year we have the same conversation when we come to the realization that our PP is terribad and every year he falls out of favor with Torts. I see no reason to believe that he'll be back and if he does come back it won't be anything but temporary.
He didn't fall out of favor (at the end of) last year though. He broke his arm, right as he was heating up and clearly making a huge difference on our PP. His creativity and passing were a blessing.

If he hadn't broken his arm and had the chance to prove himself more in the playoffs, I think he'd still be on the team. And our 2nd/3rd line depth would be all the better for it.

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He didn't fall out of favor (at the end of) last year though. He broke his arm, right as he was heating up and clearly making a huge difference on our PP. His creativity and passing were a blessing.

If he hadn't broken his arm and had the chance to prove himself more in the playoffs, I think he'd still be on the team. And our 2nd/3rd line depth would be all the better for it.
If Tortorella thought his creativity and passing were a blessing, he'd be on the roster right now.

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If Tortorella thought his creativity and passing were a blessing, he'd be on the roster right now.
IF he had signed his qualifying offer, I think he'd stand a pretty good chance at a roster spot. He was doing pretty well until he broke his wrist blocking that shot.

Atm he's playing well without dominating in Russia earning $4-5 a year (so six times his 2-way QO here). Spent most of the season on the 2nd line, but he's missed a lot of games due to injuries.

I don't see him coming back here this year, if they're not in a desperate position with injuries

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IF he had signed his qualifying offer, I think he'd stand a pretty good chance at a roster spot. He was doing pretty well until he broke his wrist blocking that shot.

Atm he's playing well without dominating in Russia earning $4-5 a year (so six times his 2-way QO here). Spent most of the season on the 2nd line, but he's missed a lot of games due to injuries.

I don't see him coming back here this year, if they're not in a desperate position with injuries
Maybe it's equal to 4-5 in the us after taxes? But he earns around 2.5 after taxes.

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i could live with him as a pp specialist assuming there's room on the roster. i'm not sure it's a luxury the rangers could afford. but i think, in the nhl, he's not a top six guy on a good team. but he could probably be ok with some space like he'd get on the power play.
isnt there a big hole in our 2nd line right now? i would give zucc a shot there

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isnt there a big hole in our 2nd line right now? i would give zucc a shot there
Sure, but he's not available right now, and at the time he is, I think most of us believe Hags or Kreider will have made it in to the top six filling that hole.

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isnt there a big hole in our 2nd line right now? i would give zucc a shot there
Both yes and no.

And this has really been a curse for MZA during his stint in NY.

Like, anyone should give it a try to map who would be a good center for MZA in the NHL, and compare it what we have. Its a bad fit all over really. What dose MZA have and what does he need from his center. Besides Richards, who compensates with strength's in other areas, all our centers are horrible fits for Zucc.

Zucc can be great at finding the back of the net. He can be great in small areas and are extremely good at finding open people with world class passes when pressured with the puck. He is extremely small and hardly a defensive type. He isn't that fastest player either.

Playing with like a young and unexperienced Derek Stepan, who hardly is defensive minded either, and Wolski who takes zero defensive responsibility was a really bad fit for him. Stepan no matter what is hardly a good fit since he is a avg skater and not strong defensively.

There are so many centers out there that would be decent fits for Zucc, but we don't have them. We don't have that strong 2-way vet or complete 6'2 center who is somewhat all around. I would definitely love to see Zucc come back, because he could really help our PP. He could play on a 3rd or 4th line just to get by 5 on 5. But we still don't have a good role for him 5 on 5. And I am suprised that it has been so little talked about in relation to Zucc. Like if someone somwhere told you that they planned to sign a 5'6 Norweigian offensive wiz midget and asked what type of center they should put him with, anyone would be very sceptical if they mentioned a 6'0 offenisve minded rookie center who was avg on his skates.

Take it for what its worth, its just speculation, but I think Zucc was darn unlucky to sign with us. I do believe that had he signed for like NJD, Carolina, Tampa, Pittsburgh and a bunch of other teams in the East -- he would have been a success right now. Scoring up towards 0.75 PPG if not more.


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01-29-2013, 07:09 AM
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There's several players with similar body shape and size like zuke currently in nhl..

When he's available after the khl season, our PP play and overal play on the ice should've improved enough for us not to sign him again..

It would take a great one way deal for him to sign again...

I think he'd rather play in the world cup though...


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Maybe the Rangers should have considered retaining Finnish star Mats Zuccarello, now playing in the Russian KHL.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/18...HL_season.html

Somebody should give Andrew Gross a world map and ask him to study it a bit. Do these guys get no geography teachings???
Having a summer house close to the Norwegian border (lotīs of animosity there as they came for our women ) has taught me to call Norwegians many vile things - but Finnish is not one of them...

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MZA would have been good this season. His ideal center on this team in Brian Boyle who can cover for him defensively a bit and create room in the offensive zone. Boyle doesn't need the puck. Unfortunately, last year and the year before, Boyle had pretty much set linemates. This year, he is the teams 3rd line center. MZA would have been a solid addition to that line.

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MZA would have been good this season. His ideal center on this team in Brian Boyle who can cover for him defensively a bit and create room in the offensive zone. Boyle doesn't need the puck. Unfortunately, last year and the year before, Boyle had pretty much set linemates. This year, he is the teams 3rd line center. MZA would have been a solid addition to that line.
Small, slow, weak, and untrustworthy on the defensive side of the puck. If Zuccarello had anything to add to this team, he wouldve been here playing. The 3rd line is used in a checking role and you think MZA would excel there? Hes not good enough to be a top 6 forward and not trustworthy enough for a bottom 6 role - off to the KHL is where most of those players go.

I think its time we start hoping the players on the Rangers roster right now start playing better instead of hoping players like Zuccarello and Mashinter make an impact.

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