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01-25-2013, 04:25 PM
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The Wings should not trade their first pick in this draft class except in an extreme scenario, read that as a Getzlaf or Perry type trade with extension signed.

This is not the time for panic moves, if you have to pick a year to have down year this would be that year. A loaded draft class of difference makers, two amnesty buyouts and lots of cap space. To couple that with a system that is as deep as it is for the first time since the early 90's the Wings will be fine.

We don't even truly know what to make of the team. The D is probably going to be bad, but we are missing 9 guys on opening night in Detroit hard to truly evaluate them.

Also on this defense front Sproul and Ouellet have to both be considered heavy candidates for OHL and QMJHL D-man of the year.

22 seasons in the playoffs isn't that important especially if it ends in a crapshoot shortened season with half the roster injured. Ride out the strom if it becomes clear they cannot make the playoffs sell off some of these guys that have the always desired Stanley Cup Champion attached to their resume at the deadline and move forward. This doesn't have to be a massive rebuild and panic moves will make it into that.

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01-25-2013, 04:42 PM
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No interest in the Gunnarsson swap.

He fits in with the age of the current group of Leaf players. He is their best defensive defenseman. Also, the chances of a 20-30 pick turning into a player as good or better than Gunnarsson is not very good. Does Carl Gunnarsson really equal a guy like Stuart Percy who we hope becomes as good as Gunnarsson?

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01-25-2013, 04:59 PM
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Detroit should stop trading away their 1st round picks. Time to rebuild that team.
We haven't traded away a first round pick in a trade deadline move since the Lang trade. We have done well trading back into the 2nd round.

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01-25-2013, 08:56 PM
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Detroit needs two way or defensive d men.. Gunnarsson would be appealing, but not at the cost of a 1st..

Too much uncertainty this season, that 1st won't be traded for a 3-4 defenseman with limited offensive ability.

Liles and Franson aren't defensively sound enough for what the Wings need..

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01-25-2013, 09:04 PM
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Detroit needs two way or defensive d men.. Gunnarsson would be appealing, but not at the cost of a 1st..

Too much uncertainty this season, that 1st won't be traded for a 3-4 defenseman with limited offensive ability.

Liles and Franson aren't defensively sound enough for what the Wings need..
What would you offer for Gunnar?

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01-25-2013, 09:18 PM
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What would you offer for Gunnar?
A 2nd... As a fan of both teams, I can't imagine a deal that makes sense.. Toronto needs top line centre and starting goalie.. Detroit's NHL ready prospects are smallish wingers; something Toronto has no use for..

On the contrary, why is Toronto trading Gunnarsson? He's their most consistent defensive d man and will likely be back with Phaneuf when thes Kostka experiment ignites.

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01-25-2013, 09:46 PM
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Ken Holland's move this year will be acquiring Lilja from the Flyers at the deadline.

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Nice job OP. A good trade proposal post!

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01-25-2013, 10:50 PM
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What would you offer for Gunnar?
Quincey, Ericsson and Abdelkader

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01-26-2013, 12:23 AM
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Yikes, some of you would trade Gunnarsson for what will probably be a low to mid first round pick? He's our most consistent defenseman (and at times our best defenseman).

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01-26-2013, 12:27 AM
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Yikes, some of you would trade Gunnarsson for what will probably be a low to mid first round pick? He's our most consistent defenseman (and at times our best defenseman).
Yeah I don't think Gunnarsson is going anywhere if it isn't an overpayment by a desperate team.

He can put up 20-30 points and play responsible in his own zone and his contract is cheap too.

I'd have no problem if Franson is moved since we have too many D already.

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01-26-2013, 12:38 AM
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Yeah I don't think Gunnarsson is going anywhere if it isn't an overpayment by a desperate team.

He can put up 20-30 points and play responsible in his own zone and his contract is cheap too.

I'd have no problem if Franson is moved since we have too many D already.
Yup, this exactly. If a D-man is moved, it won't (or shouldn't be) Gunnarsson. I think he's underrated offensively too and could put up 30-35 points under the right circumstances (i.e. more PP time, though that doesn't make sense right now with Phaneuf, Liles, Kostka, Gardiner, & Franson).

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01-26-2013, 10:48 AM
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Yikes, some of you would trade Gunnarsson for what will probably be a low to mid first round pick? He's our most consistent defenseman (and at times our best defenseman).
In this deep a draft, yes. We need picks more than anything. They also will hold a lot more value in this draft, especially for trades. I love Gunnarsson's play, but we're not any closer to a cup than we were 5 years ago. Its only going to take some time for our youngsters to develop.

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01-26-2013, 10:51 AM
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Yikes, some of you would trade Gunnarsson for what will probably be a low to mid first round pick? He's our most consistent defenseman (and at times our best defenseman).
If this draft is everything it's hyped up to be, and if you draft smart, you're likely getting a star if you're picking in the top 20.

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01-26-2013, 01:48 PM
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I think you saw the team give up a 1st in a questionable trade for Quincey last year just to take one last shot with Lidstrom.

I don't think you'll see them moving high picks unless it's for a long-term player that they can build around somewhat. This team isn't a player away where a deadline rental or overpayment can put them over the top. I think they are going to hold the picks and start stocking up as much as possible. If anything they'll trade some of the glut of prospects they have. They lack any true elite level prospects but the Wings system is flush with 2nd tier guys with upside in Ouellet, Sproul, Tatar, Nyquist, Mrazek, Sheahan, Jurco, etc. That's what I see being moved in trades, bodies not picks.

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01-26-2013, 03:35 PM
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Yikes, some of you would trade Gunnarsson for what will probably be a low to mid first round pick? He's our most consistent defenseman (and at times our best defenseman).
It's not that I would trade him, I just wanted to see what Detroit would offer if he were available.

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01-26-2013, 11:34 PM
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I think you saw the team give up a 1st in a questionable trade for Quincey last year just to take one last shot with Lidstrom.

I don't think you'll see them moving high picks unless it's for a long-term player that they can build around somewhat. This team isn't a player away where a deadline rental or overpayment can put them over the top. I think they are going to hold the picks and start stocking up as much as possible. If anything they'll trade some of the glut of prospects they have. They lack any true elite level prospects but the Wings system is flush with 2nd tier guys with upside in Ouellet, Sproul, Tatar, Nyquist, Mrazek, Sheahan, Jurco, etc. That's what I see being moved in trades, bodies not picks.
Gunnarsson is 25 years old. Also, Datsyuk, Zberg, Kronwall, and Franzen aren't getting any younger. Can Detroit afford to wait another 3-4 years for those prospects to be fully developed?

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01-26-2013, 11:51 PM
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As a Leaf fans:

1. Seems like a fair return for Franson.

2. If Detroit is a borderline playoff team which means that pick has a good chance of being anywhere from 10th to 20th I take that deal in a deep draft without thinking.

3. I`d want more then a 2nd for Liles. Leaf fans love to hate the guy but he has played decent this season and was very good last season prior to getting concussed.

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01-27-2013, 01:29 AM
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We haven't traded away a first round pick in a trade deadline move since the Lang trade. We have done well trading back into the 2nd round.
Aside from Quincey last year, would be surprised if they did it two years in a row.

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