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01-25-2013, 05:05 PM
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What does Da Costa bring that nobody else on the roster or prospect pool does?
We don't have a single prospect that brings something that nobody else on the roster or prospect pool does other than maybe Zibanejad... and Lehner if you count goalie fights.

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01-25-2013, 05:06 PM
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BOGO is the defenseman that would be a great fit here ,now we just need to convince wpg that he isnt really a fit there

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You don't know who DaCosta is do you. Im not saying he's amazing but you're underrating him. Our best player in Binhamton. 2nd line center potential and is not far from it.

EDIT: Never seen Bennys post. We on da same boat g.
I'm not complaining about Da Costa, I love the guy. However, if he's the biggest piece in a trade for Yandle, then I don't see them pulling the trigger.

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What does Da Costa bring that nobody else on the roster or prospect pool does?
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Besides Spezza, Karlsson, and Alfie. Turris maybe.

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What does Da Costa bring that nobody else on the roster or prospect pool does?
Parisian snootiness.

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Besides Spezza, Karlsson, and Alfie. Turris maybe.
Do you think teams only need 4 players with great vision?

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Do you think teams only need 4 players with great vision?
thats not what im saying. I just meant hes not the only one with great vision, as he asked wat does he bring that no one else does.

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thats not what im saying. I just meant hes not the only one with great vision, as he asked wat does he bring that no one else does.
Yes, to get a roster spot you need to either be better than someone else in your position/role, or bring something to the team that no one, or only 1 or 2 players bring. Da Costa doesn't have that quality in my opinion. He has been one of my favourite on Bingo, but it would be better for everyone if we traded him for assets we could use and he got to play for an NHL team that could use him

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thats not what im saying. I just meant hes not the only one with great vision, as he asked wat does he bring that no one else does.
Sure, but you could say that about any of our prospects or players vs any other team's prospects or players. One guy or another brings something to the roster.

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Yes, to get a roster spot you need to either be better than someone else in your position/role, or bring something to the team that no one, or only 1 or 2 players bring. Da Costa doesn't have that quality in my opinion. He has been one of my favourite on Bingo, but it would be better for everyone if we traded him for assets we could use and he got to play for an NHL team that could use him
Best we keep him around in case of the extremely likely scenario that Spezza gets injured. If he comes up and plays well in the #2 spot, his value skyrockets.

Its also a pretty wild assumption to think he can't play the wing.

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Besides Spezza, Karlsson, and Alfie. Turris maybe.
Oh ya besides those guys (missed the 'roster' part)
Better than turris though.

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Best we keep him around in case of the extremely likely scenario that Spezza gets injured. If he comes up and plays well in the #2 spot, his value skyrockets.

Its also a pretty wild assumption to think he can't play the wing.
I never said he couldn't play the wing, however is he ahead of Zib, Stone, Michalek, Silf, Latendresse, or even a guy like Greening who demonstrated last year he can play top 6 is needed? He might be ahead of Zib and Stone, but for how long? They are 19 and 20 while Da Costa is 23. And how far off are natural wingers Noesen and Puempel?

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BOGO is the defenseman that would be a great fit here ,now we just need to convince wpg that he isnt really a fit there
I agree completely, we don't have any moveable pieces that would bring him back though.

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What does Da Costa bring that nobody else on the roster or prospect pool does?
Unbelievable puck-control and play-making ability. Outside of Spezza, no one can touch him in those 2 attributes.

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Unbelievable puck-control and play-making ability. Outside of Spezza, no one can touch him in those 2 attributes.
Fair enough (at least for puck control, I think you are underrating Silf's potential as a playmaker), but is it worth giving up the assets that the player who gets knocked off he roster brings? I don't see him replacing anyone in the top 6 now, and we have some other potential top 6ers in the prospect pool, so I say no

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I never said he couldn't play the wing, however is he ahead of Zib, Stone, Michalek, Silf, Latendresse, or even a guy like Greening who demonstrated last year he can play top 6 is needed? He might be ahead of Zib and Stone, but for how long? They are 19 and 20 while Da Costa is 23. And how far off are natural wingers Noesen and Puempel?
Sorry for putting words in your mouth, but that was a logical conclusion to draw form the previous post.

Right now Da Costa is definitely outplaying Zibanejad and Stone. I don't think anyone can really argue that. He's dominating the A right meow. The others are playing well but not close to the same level. Now they do have NHL frames which will play into management's decisions, so I won't pretend like that's not an issue, but IMO Stone's skating is as much of an issue as Da Costa's size (neither big problems with their elite HIQ).

As far Greening is concerned, his 37 points on our top line with a top 5 NHL scorer is proof enough for me that he should NOT be near our top 6. I know that's not a popular opinion as there are still pie eyed optimists that see him as a future top 6 power forward, but I don't even think the guy should be on the 3rd line. Terrible hands and he's soft as a baby's arse.

Puempel is pretty far off.

Latendresse hasn't done anything to suggest he's a long term top 6 option, though I'm hopeful.

Michalek only has one year on his contract after this one

Noesen is guy I'm really hopeful for but he'll excel in a bottom 6 role to begin his career and realistically he'll need at least a year in the A.

Da Costa is not yet a luxury we can't afford.

EDIT: Oh yes. Silfverberg! There's a pretty large hole upcoming in our top 6... hoping he can adequately fill it.

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01-25-2013, 06:29 PM
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Fair enough (at least for puck control, I think you are underrating Silf's potential as a playmaker), but is it worth giving up the assets that the player who gets knocked off he roster brings? I don't see him replacing anyone in the top 6 now, and we have some other potential top 6ers in the prospect pool, so I say no
I watched every game. I was an enormous advocate of Silfverberg's playmaking ability while everyone noticed him just for his shot. With that being said, DaCosta has made passes I could only Spezza ever pull off. His saucer passes on full-stride through defenders is a thing of magic. He also makes passes you would never expect. Silfverberg doesn't come close, nor anyone in our prospect pool in terms of passing like DaCosta.

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Teams will be lining up for Bishop after tonight...

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Teams will be lining up for Bishop after tonight...
We discussed the risk. Gambled, lost.

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Because 1 game means so much...

Either way, Bishop doesn't have that much value to begin with.

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Because 1 game means so much...

Either way, Bishop doesn't have that much value to begin with.
Well the Sens fanbase has been telling every one on the trade board that Bishop would return a top four D

I would not give anything more then a mid rd pick for Bishop... Looks like a guy with a career .900sv. % in the NHL

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Teams will be lining up for Bishop after tonight...
Anyone who expected anything more than a 2nd was out to lunch. Even a 2nd seems expensive for him.

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I know it is hindsight now but would have been better to play Andy and then have Bishop go against the caps.

Lightning are the highest scoring right now and caps are one of the lowest.

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Anyone who expected anything more than a 2nd was out to lunch. Even a 2nd seems expensive for him.
Seems?
Henrik karlsson - 7th rounder

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