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01-25-2013, 06:35 PM
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He's not "quebecois" then.

Whatever the fans scream for.

It's the only explanation to want him in exchange for Subban
well if people settles on the idea of trading Subban, of course you'll here all young francophone names in the possible other players....

We'll have Ouellet from Detroit
we'll have Huberdeau from Florida
We'll have Couturier from Philly
We'll have Despres from Pittsburgh
We'll have Jordan Caron from Boston
and whoever young francophone player maybe package for Subban to the Habs

not saying i would do any of the names mention, just stating some example....

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01-25-2013, 06:37 PM
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Is there any other team in the league that has this ridicoulous "bridge contract" policy?
Well it's standard for any young player when they finish their entry-level contract to give them a bridge contract and then to sign them long-term when it's over.

Unless we're talking about well established rookies who already have proven they can top the league with their performances. Which is NOT PK's case. Price took a bridge contract I don't understand why PK doesn't want it, his agent agrees to it, and yet he doesn't.

It would be more beneficial for him to do so, if he proves himself on the ice he can look forward to a long-term and high profit contract. Now he's gonna have to settle for a mid-term not so wealthy contract.

MB has to deal with a lineup that clogs the cap with players with contracts such as Kaberle that gives him little no room to maneuver on the UFA and trade market. If he wants to build a successful team he can't just give and accept PK's demands by investing top $ for a product he's not 100% sure will deliver everything it says it will.

I'm sure PK will be successful but it's too soon to say in what manner let's remember... 2011-12 was only his second complete NHL season ever, and Price signed his bridge contract only after 3 seasons in the NHL

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01-25-2013, 06:38 PM
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Hahahahaha.. oh boy I hadn't heard that argument in a while. Especially now that Cammy got traded mid game after being a huge prima donna.

My response to this has always been :

Players go where the money is.

When Gionta asked Lou if he could match the habs offer, Lou said, go.. that's a really good offer sign with them. That's why Gionta signed with us. Not because of the Gomez trade. Stop kidding yourself.



Nope. No justification for it. Nothing could have been said in any room that would have made it make sense.
yeah ok, keep providing your smarts on a hockey board, it suits you well....

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Oilers didn't give Taylor Hall a bridge contract and he did not prove anything remotely near as impressive as Subban.

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Nobody concerned talked about a trade. Not PK, nor his agent, and even less Bergevin.

Subban won't be traded. He will sign sooner than later or he will sit at home ( or play in Europe) until he get his UFA status in the NHL.
Is this what you want to do with the team's most dynamic, promising, and young defenseman?

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You are probably correct. The up and coming young players will probably not put themselves above the Montreal Canadiens and sign a contract instead of holding out.
Subban wants to sign a contract.

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Oilers didn't give Taylor Hall a bridge contract a
nd he did not prove anything remotely near as impressive as Subban.
says you....

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I do not why a GM wanted to handcuff himself by insisting on bridge contracts. He imposed certain principle which remove a lot of flexibility for himself. First it was Gainey and the principle of "no contract talk during the season". Now MB with bridge contract for all players coming out of ELC?
Well, let's not lose sight of other things we don't know... we don't know the numbers. We don't even know if this really is a policy issue or not. Even though we have educated guesses from vague tweets and reading between the lines of what scant news articles there have been.

For all we know, Bergevin sat across the table from PK or met him in the hall some weeks ago, and used his superior powers of human perception to determine that PK is super-eager to sign and play forever for the Montreal Canadiens, and Bergevin knew in an instant that he could get him to sign a 2-year "bridge" contract. Thereby saving us $2M on the cap for each of the next two years at a time when league revenues and cap ceilings are most likely to descend, and allowing us to sign Subban for 8 more years at a more "fair value" later, thus giving us 10 years of Subban before he hits UFAdom, and giving us much-needed cap flexibility in the meantime. It's not impossible. At the cost of some media and fan angst and 2 weeks without PK on the team. That'd probably be a fair tradeoff, if that's what it was, hey? Kudos to the wily Bergevin in that scenario.

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says you....
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Is this what you want to do with the team's most dynamic, promising, and young defenseman?
no but in the words of every heads of states: we don't negociate with terrorist.

don't take it to the word, what i mean is that if HABS decides to trade him cause all other options have failed, they will do it on their term not PK's and if it takes time, well it takes time....

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01-25-2013, 06:42 PM
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Nobody concerned talked about a trade. Not PK, nor his agent, and even less Bergevin.

Subban won't be traded. He will sign sooner than later or he will sit at home ( or play in Europe) until he get his UFA srlatus in the NHL.
Not sure how's that reassuring. The idea of signing Subban is not short term. Is to create the best possible atmosphere so that the guy remains a Habs for life. We're not talking about a 40 year old Jagr here.

The point and the only point frankly is that based on a stupid, if that's the case, policy, we might lose one of the best prospects we've have in a long time or alienate him so next time he has a chance he'll leave. A prospect, should I remind everybody, that most people counted on to diminuish the impact of losing anothe prospect for Gomez.

So as an organization, if we screw up on the Subban front, and after screwing up on the McDonagh front, we would have succesfully got rid of 2 future great players that would have formed for close to 15 years, the greatness of our defense.

Based on a panic move in 1 case....and on a stupid policy on another. See, this is where "professionnals knows best" theory takes a deep blow. Since when are those guys solely hired because of how competent they are. Most are hired based on the fact that they played the game. A lot are hired because they are friends with. A few happen to be extremely brillant. Look at who succeeds to know who are who......

I don't know how competent Bergevin is. But I know that if we lose a guy because of that policy, that would be totally dumb.

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01-25-2013, 06:43 PM
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To the Oilers, he might have proven enough, which is clearly not the case for PK for the Habs....

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I'd like for a team to send PK a 7 year offersheet with a caphit below 6.7M so they would only have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks as compensation and for PK to sign it. Since that caphit compensation would be the total amount divided by the first 5 years that would be a nice deal for the Habs.. I think that's how it all works right?

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Not sure how's that reassuring. The idea of signing Subban is not short term. Is to create the best possible atmosphere so that the guy remains a Habs for life. We're not talking about a 40 year old Jagr here.

The point and the only point frankly is that based on a stupid, if that's the case, policy, we might lose one of the best prospects we've have in a long time or alienate him so next time he has a chance he'll leave. A prospect, should I remind everybody, that most people counted on to diminuish the impact of losing anothe prospect for Gomez.

So as an organization, if we screw up on the Subban front, and after screwing up on the McDonagh front, we would have succesfully got rid of 2 future great players that would have formed for close to 15 years, the greatness of our defense.

Based on a panic move in 1 case....and on a stupid policy on another. See, this is where "professionnals knows best" theory takes a deep blow. Since when are those guys solely hired because of how competent they are. Most are hired based on the fact that they played the game. A lot are hired because they are friends with. A few happen to be extremely brillant. Look at who succeeds to know who are who......

I don't know how competent Bergevin is. But I know that if we lose a guy because of that policy, that would be totally dumb.
Irreparably dumb.

A D of
Markov-Emelin
Subban-McDonagh
Tinordi-Gorges

Would easily be enough to anchor a contending team.

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To the Oilers, he might have proven enough, which is clearly not the case for PK for the Habs....
Or maybe he has proven enough but the Habs want to build the philosophy of bridge contracts?

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yeah ok, keep providing your smarts on a hockey board, it suits you well....
Sorry if you don't like the truth.. at least I don't attack you personally.

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Not sure how's that reassuring. The idea of signing Subban is not short term. Is to create the best possible atmosphere so that the guy remains a Habs for life. We're not talking about a 40 year old Jagr here.

The point and the only point frankly is that based on a stupid, if that's the case, policy, we might lose one of the best prospects we've have in a long time or alienate him so next time he has a chance he'll leave. A prospect, should I remind everybody, that most people counted on to diminuish the impact of losing anothe prospect for Gomez.

So as an organization, if we screw up on the Subban front, and after screwing up on the McDonagh front, we would have succesfully got rid of 2 future great players that would have formed for close to 15 years, the greatness of our defense.

Based on a panic move in 1 case....and on a stupid policy on another. See, this is where "professionnals knows best" theory takes a deep blow. Since when are those guys solely hired because of how competent they are. Most are hired based on the fact that they played the game. A lot are hired because they are friends with. A few happen to be extremely brillant. Look at who succeeds to know who are who......

I don't know how competent Bergevin is. But I know that if we lose a guy because of that policy, that would be totally dumb.
it didn't take much time during Pac bridge contract for the Habs to give him a long term extension... what makes you think that if PK signs for two years and he has a great season, that it won't satisfy Bergevin and CO and that this summer, they don't offer him that 5 or 6 or 7 years contract??? We don't know it all....

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Oilers didn't give Taylor Hall a bridge contract and he did not prove anything remotely near as impressive as Subban.
42pts in 65 games is impressive, for a rookie in his first season.

Subban delivered 38pts in 77 games. Still good but he was 20 years old when he started his first full season, after a season played in the AHL, while Hall was 18 years old and came right out from the OHL.

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Sorry if you don't like the truth.. at least I don't attack you personally.
The truth of one might be the lie for another, don't go thinking that because you say something and you believe it, that it is necessary the truth, people who don't open up to other horizons....

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I don't understand.

PK hasn't really proven anything at this point. I want my top offensive defenceman getting more than 40 pts per year. Subban hasn't shown that he can do that.

There's also been questions about chemistry with others on the team and he's had some disagreements with the coaches in the past.

There are still some holes in his game and some improvements to be made on his end. He's young and that makes sense. Perfectly normal.

I don't want to be paying Subban $5.5-6m a year for 6 years as the player he is now. Can he be worth that money? Yes and in my opinion, he probably would be over 6 years.
But he can also stop progressing, and he could even regress. It's happened to great players (especially ones that rely on their physical ability to stand out - see Mike Green who's had 56, 73, and 76 point seasons and who has pretty much fallen off the earth since).

Last thing you want is to be stuck with an overpaid contract for that long. The 2-yr bridge is so that they can get a better sense of how Subban will play for the next two years. If he shows he's one of the top d-men in the league, give him $6.5m long term. If he stalls, we can re-sign him to another more realistic contract.

It's a perfectly logical line of thought to want to give him another 2 years before signing him to a big long-term contract. I can see the benefit of a long-term contract as well, especially if that's what PK really wants, but you guys are the morons if you can't understand why MB could want to stick to his guns at 2 years, especially when PK is a RFA and has no real leverage.

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Or maybe he has proven enough but the Habs want to build the philosophy of bridge contracts?
I'll give you that, it could be, but i don't know and you don't either, it's all speculation in the universe....

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it didn't take much time during Pac bridge contract for the Habs to give him a long term extension... what makes you think that if PK signs for two years and he has a great season, that it won't satisfy Bergevin and CO and that this summer, they don't offer him that 5 or 6 or 7 years contract??? We don't know it all....
That's the part where if I'm Subban, I really need to think about if this is all worth it...

Even if he signs a bridge deal today for 2 years, he could potentially start negotiating for a long term deal, assuming he still wants that, as soon as next January. So really, he just needs to wait 1 more year before he'll be able to sign that deal.

But alot can happen in one year...you never know when your career can be taken from under you.

This is a tough one...but again, I continue to believe that BOTH sides want the same things, which really should be reassuring for Habs fans who still want Subban to stay...

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I'll give you that, it could be, but i don't know and you don't either, it's all speculation in the universe....
You can tell I'm right about most things though.

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well if people settles on the idea of trading Subban, of course you'll here all young francophone names in the possible other players....

We'll have Ouellet from Detroit
we'll have Huberdeau from Florida
We'll have Couturier from Philly
We'll have Despres from Pittsburgh
We'll have Jordan Caron from Boston
and whoever young francophone player maybe package for Subban to the Habs

not saying i would do any of the names mention, just stating some example....
Why would anybody be talking about trading Subban for those guys? Couturier is the only that would make some sense in that entire list.

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