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01-18-2013, 03:56 AM
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Since the first pick could be made as soon as the thread goes up, I think we need more time to swap draft positions. At least until the clock starts on Monday.

unless you think we should hold on on starting to draft, but...
Yeah, until clock start is a better idea. So teams at the top of the draft that are happy with their position can go ahead and pick without messing up the plans of those who want to swap picks. Yeah, that's a good solution.

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01-18-2013, 04:15 AM
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I'll reiterate that teams shouldn't change division if they swap picks.

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01-18-2013, 04:38 AM
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I'll reiterate that teams shouldn't change division if they swap picks.
Agreed. Divisional placement based on picks is a way of randomizing the divisions, so it seems counterproductive to allow trading of divisions along with picks.

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01-18-2013, 04:47 AM
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Agreed. Divisional placement based on picks is a way of randomizing the divisions, so it seems counterproductive to allow trading of divisions along with picks.
Yeah...hadn't thought of that. Well, allright then. If that is the case, we can go ahead and post the roster thread, as the divisions are set.

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01-18-2013, 08:10 AM
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I moved the divisions around so they follow this format.

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The 2013 All-Time Draft

Red Fisher Conference

Foster Hewitt Division
Jim Robson Division
James Creighton Division
Louis Magnus Division

Jim Coleman Conference

Bob Cole Division
Rene Lecavalier Division
Ray Scapinello Division
Sam Pollock Division
Probably wise that the top 4 picks aren't all in the same conference, right?

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01-18-2013, 11:22 AM
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Under the new playoff structure, we aren't playing teams in our own division in the first round. What are the odds that we face a given divisional team (like, for example, a certain team with Bobby Orr) in the second round or beyond?

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01-18-2013, 11:26 AM
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Under the new playoff structure, we aren't playing teams in our own division in the first round. What are the odds that we face a given divisional team (like, for example, a certain team with Bobby Orr) in the second round or beyond?
There's a second round?

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01-18-2013, 11:29 AM
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There's a second round?


Hopefully Orr will help you explore this unknown territory

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01-18-2013, 11:33 AM
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Under the new playoff structure, we aren't playing teams in our own division in the first round. What are the odds that we face a given divisional team (like, for example, a certain team with Bobby Orr) in the second round or beyond?
Vecens might be able to correct me since he knows more about cross-division playoffs, but I was thinking it would go something like this

Round 1:

Foster Hewitt Seed 1 vs Jim Robson Seed 4
Foster Hewitt Seed 2 vs Jim Robson Seed 3
Foster Hewitt Seed 3 vs Jim Robson Seed 2
Foster Hewitt Seed 4 vs. Jim Robson Seed 1

Round 2:

The highest remaining seed from Hewitt/Robson against the lowest remaining seed (done by standings points)
The other two remaining teams

Round 3:

The 2 remaining teams from Hewitt/Robson

If we do it this way, you can face teams from your own division in either the second or third round.

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01-18-2013, 12:39 PM
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Vecens might be able to correct me since he knows more about cross-division playoffs, but I was thinking it would go something like this

Round 1:

Foster Hewitt Seed 1 vs Jim Robson Seed 4
Foster Hewitt Seed 2 vs Jim Robson Seed 3
Foster Hewitt Seed 3 vs Jim Robson Seed 2
Foster Hewitt Seed 4 vs. Jim Robson Seed 1

Round 2:

The highest remaining seed from Hewitt/Robson against the lowest remaining seed (done by standings points)
The other two remaining teams

Round 3:

The 2 remaining teams from Hewitt/Robson

If we do it this way, you can face teams from your own division in either the second or third round.
Looks good.

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01-18-2013, 12:44 PM
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Vecens might be able to correct me since he knows more about cross-division playoffs, but I was thinking it would go something like this

Round 1:

Foster Hewitt Seed 1 vs Jim Robson Seed 4
Foster Hewitt Seed 2 vs Jim Robson Seed 3
Foster Hewitt Seed 3 vs Jim Robson Seed 2
Foster Hewitt Seed 4 vs. Jim Robson Seed 1

Round 2:

The highest remaining seed from Hewitt/Robson against the lowest remaining seed (done by standings points)
The other two remaining teams

Round 3:

The 2 remaining teams from Hewitt/Robson

If we do it this way, you can face teams from your own division in either the second or third round.
I like this format...is the standings points only a tie-breaker if two seeds are the same or can a 3 seed in one division jump over a 2 seed from the other if they had more points?

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01-18-2013, 02:05 PM
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I like this format...is the standings points only a tie-breaker if two seeds are the same or can a 3 seed in one division jump over a 2 seed from the other if they had more points?
It's going to have to be by seeding, only using standings points as a tiebreaker.

And yeah that's all good TDMM.

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01-18-2013, 02:49 PM
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Vecens might be able to correct me since he knows more about cross-division playoffs, but I was thinking it would go something like this

Round 1:

Foster Hewitt Seed 1 vs Jim Robson Seed 4
Foster Hewitt Seed 2 vs Jim Robson Seed 3
Foster Hewitt Seed 3 vs Jim Robson Seed 2
Foster Hewitt Seed 4 vs. Jim Robson Seed 1

Round 2:

The highest remaining seed from Hewitt/Robson against the lowest remaining seed (done by standings points)
The other two remaining teams

Round 3:

The 2 remaining teams from Hewitt/Robson

If we do it this way, you can face teams from your own division in either the second or third round.
Thanks. So the playoff format isn't too different from a setup of 4 divisions of 8 teams.

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01-20-2013, 09:27 PM
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The draft hasn't officially started yet (clock begins Monday), so... how about adding this RULE:

Missing a time window results in a reduction of an hour ALSO for the previous team which forgot to PM the next team. After all, rule #9 is to PM the next team, and it ain't optional, as TDMM added. Put some teeth to this and penalize 'one hour' off the clock of any team that forgets to PM the next team (when and only when that lack of PM results i the next team having been skipped, missing his clock entirely).

PM the next team or get penalized an hour for violating the rule.

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01-20-2013, 09:39 PM
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The draft hasn't officially started yet (clock begins Monday), so... how about adding this RULE:

Missing a time window results in a reduction of an hour ALSO for the previous team which forgot to PM the next team. After all, rule #9 is to PM the next team, and it ain't optional, as TDMM added. Put some teeth to this and penalize 'one hour' off the clock of any team that forgets to PM the next team (when and only when that lack of PM results i the next team having been skipped, missing his clock entirely).

PM the next team or get penalized an hour for violating the rule.
Some GMs who would lose their entire clock by the midpoint of the draft... Maybe that's not a bad thing...

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01-20-2013, 10:36 PM
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Some GMs who would lose their entire clock by the midpoint of the draft... Maybe that's not a bad thing...
Don't we usually cap deductions once down to an hour?

And no, if you aren't willing to do your part, then you should feel consequences.

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01-20-2013, 10:39 PM
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The draft hasn't officially started yet (clock begins Monday), so... how about adding this RULE:

Missing a time window results in a reduction of an hour ALSO for the previous team which forgot to PM the next team. After all, rule #9 is to PM the next team, and it ain't optional, as TDMM added. Put some teeth to this and penalize 'one hour' off the clock of any team that forgets to PM the next team (when and only when that lack of PM results i the next team having been skipped, missing his clock entirely).

PM the next team or get penalized an hour for violating the rule.
I like the rule, with one small amendment...if you ask for someone else to send a PM or in some way inform the group that you cannot send a PM then you do not get penalized.

I'd really like to get everyone to say if they are or are not sending a PM every time they make a pick. "We select xxx, PM sent to next GM" or "We select xxx, someone PM the next GM for me." It takes all of 30 seconds and if people do this every time then we'll be able to tell when someone forgets because the message won't be there.

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01-20-2013, 11:02 PM
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Don't we usually cap deductions once down to an hour?

And no, if you aren't willing to do your part, then you should feel consequences.
It's usually capped at a 4 hour mimimum, and that's how I was assuming this one would be (since everyone seemed to think the pace last time was good).

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I like the rule, with one small amendment...if you ask for someone else to send a PM or in some way inform the group that you cannot send a PM then you do not get penalized.
asking others to PM for you should not be encouraged. It often either ends up in no PM being sent, or multiple PMs from multiple people which is annoying to the receiver.

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I'd really like to get everyone to say if they are or are not sending a PM every time they make a pick. "We select xxx, PM sent to next GM" or "We select xxx, someone PM the next GM for me." It takes all of 30 seconds and if people do this every time then we'll be able to tell when someone forgets because the message won't be there.
i guess maybe we have to do this, but I would find it mildly annoying to ruin a perfectly good mini-bio by reminding everyone that I PMed next. I always PM next; it really should be automatic by now.

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01-20-2013, 11:27 PM
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asking others to PM for you should not be encouraged. It often either ends up in no PM being sent, or multiple PMs from multiple people which is annoying to the receiver.
Aren't some people unable to send PM's when on their phone? This is what I was mainly thinking of.

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01-20-2013, 11:45 PM
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Aren't some people unable to send PM's when on their phone? This is what I was mainly thinking of.
I've used the mobile version of this site on my phone a lot and I can send PMs just fine - it just takes a little longer.

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01-21-2013, 12:17 AM
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Is it worth making another pole?

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01-21-2013, 05:48 AM
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Is it worth making another pole?
I get it.

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I have a small question after missing all of the planning. Why is the draft not so that the GM:s that drafts early in the first round gets the bottom picks in both the second and third round, when we know that the difference between players in the first round is bigger then in all the rounds that follows?

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I have a small question after missing all of the planning. Why is the draft not so that the GM:s that drafts early in the first round gets the bottom picks in both the second and third round, when we know that the difference between players in the first round is bigger then in all the rounds that follows?
Because that would be very unfair to me.

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