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im not against 2 year contract, but it has to be at least 4m. what if subban gets injured badly in the next 2 years? he has to have some kind of security, and he certainly deserved at least 4m per season.
Well if Pk hasnt budged from wanting a 6 yr contract why even move on the dollar amount? They need to agree on lenght and then move to money. I also think those numbers are way too low but seems like a negotiating position

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Well, I was encouraged that Bergevin was going to break the cycle of terrible GMs, but it turns out he's an idiot just like the others.

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Lol the sky is falling so hard on HFBoards Habs fans!!!

The sky is falling!!!

The sky is falling!!!

Once Subban's gets signed, I can't WAIT to see what the next great drama is.
It will be that Subban is only inked to a 2 years deal. Which is stupid because he wants to sign long term...

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Perhaps the offer mentioned is the initial one made by MB. They had a meeting Friday and its possible that for the first time PK said he would consider a two year deal and he has the weekend to make a counter offer. I doubt the Habs think PK is only worth 5M over two years.

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As much as I was against giving him a Doughty type contract, this offer is ridiculous (assuming that it is a real one).

Anyway, it's still not panic time. I'm assuming that a guy like Meehan, being paid the kind of money he is making, has a plan. After seeing that the habs did good with Markov and Price playing great so they wouldn't ear PK chants in the Bell Center, they probably leaked the offer info to get some public sympathy...

What we don't know is if they actually negotiated that offer, meaning that it might still be that low because PK never came back with a counter offer on a 2 yrs deal, but only spoke about 5-6 yrs deals.

I'm guessing it will either end up with a 2 yrs deal around 4M per, or Bergevin will ask a good friend to make an offer sheet that he will match on a longer deal, so he will have been "forced" to give PK the bigger contract.

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Well if Pk hasnt budged from wanting a 6 yr contract why even move on the dollar amount? They need to agree on lenght and then move to money. I also think those numbers are way too low but seems like a negotiating position
I agree with this.

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Perhaps the offer mentioned is the initial one made by MB. They had a meeting Friday and its possible that for the first time PK said he would consider a two year deal and he has the weekend to make a counter offer. I doubt the Habs think PK is only worth 5M over two years.
This Subban situation is exactly why I have no faith in humanity. How can people be so stupid? Yet somehow manage to become GMs of the Canadiens?

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I think what's more shocking to me, if you take what Lavoie is reporting as truth, is that the Habs haven't moved off their initial offer which they gave Subban in May.

Even the staunch 'bridge deal' supporters must admit that's a bit extreme, no?

I wonder if MB will take this hardline approach with all our players going forward...
I would have signed him long term as I said I think in part 6 of this messy thread.. but I can understand the habs thinking in wanting a bridge deal to be honest, what I can't understand is 2.5 million per year.

Out of all the bridge deals signed lately by the Habs, Price was the lowest at 2.75, Patches, Gorges, Pleks all signed around 3.1 - 3.3 million if I remember correctly. I don't get why 2.5 for PK.

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This Subban situation is exactly why I have no faith in humanity. How can people be so stupid? Yet somehow manage to become GMs of the Canadiens?
This takes the cake. Funny stuff.

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Well if Pk hasnt budged from wanting a 6 yr contract why even move on the dollar amount? They need to agree on lenght and then move to money. I also think those numbers are way too low but seems like a negotiating position
it can be negotiating position in june or july, but if that's the negotiating position three games into the season we might have a problem. a big one.

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i was talking about season before he signed the contract. he wasn't our #1 goalie in 09/10 season.
when he signed the contract he was the #1 goaltender and he knew it.

Price was the undisputed #1 goaltender at the time he signed a 2 year bridge.

All I am saying is that the rumoured offer to Subban is in line with that, so the words "disgusting" and "joke" don't apply.

I am not saying he will or should sign, but he's rumoured to have been offered a competitive contract.

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I asked Don Meehan whether he knew if Flyers/Montreal had talked trade on PK Subban: "I really don't [know]," he said. MTL wants to sign PK
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Well, I was encouraged that Bergevin was going to break the cycle of terrible GMs, but it turns out he's an idiot just like the others.
It's quite funny, isn't it. Every time we get a new GM, we have a lot of hope that the new GM will bring the Habs to the promise land. The common thing is that each GM bring with him different stupidity.

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I would have signed him long term as I said I think in part 6 of this messy thread.. but I can understand the habs thinking in wanting a bridge deal to be honest, what I can't understand is 2.5 million per year.

Out of all the bridge deals signed lately by the Habs, Price was the lowest at 2.75, Patches, Gorges, Pleks all signed around 3.1 - 3.3 million if I remember correctly. I don't get why 2.5 for PK.
About Bridge contracts.

First of all they were put in place for our franchise by Gauthier and Gainey. Nothing against those two, but I don't get why Bergevin is sticking to the concept.

I would say it cost us more in the case of a few players (Gorges, Plek, Price) and only worked out for Pacioretty.

Seems to me like it's a sketchy philosophy at best, that a lot of teams around the league do not believe in at all.

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Current Don Meehan NHL clients:

Justin Abdelkader, Detroit Red Wings
Luke Adam, Buffalo Sabres
Colby Armstrong, Montreal Canadiens
Jason Arnott, St. Louis Blues
Alex Auld, Ottawa Senators
Keith Aulie, Tampa Bay Lightning
Dave Backes, St. Louis Blues
Josh Bailey, New York Islanders
Jay Beagle, Washington Capitals
Todd Bertuzzi, Detroit Red Wings
Paul Bissonnette, Phoenix Coyotes
Francis Bouillon, Montreal Canadiens
Drayson Bowman, Carolina Hurricanes
Dustin Boyd, Montreal Canadiens
Darryl Boyce, Columbus Blue Jackets
Tyler Bozak, Toronto Maple Leafs
Tim Brent, Toronto Maple Leafs
Eric Brewer, Tampa Bay Lightning
Mike Brodeur, Ottawa Senators
Troy Brouwer, Washington Capitals
Ilya Bryzgalov, Philadelphia Flyers
Gregory Campbell, Boston Bruins
Luca Caputi, Anaheim Ducks
Daniel Carcillo, Chicago Blackhawks
Brett Carson, Carolina Hurricanes
Erik Christensen, New York Rangers
David Clarkson, New Jersey Devils
Cal Clutterbuck. Minnesota Wild
Mike Commodore, Montreal Canadiens
Matt Cooke, Pittsburgh Penguins
Matt Corrente, New Jersey Devils
Ryan Craig, Tampa Bay Lightning
Matt Cullen, Minnesota Wild
Michael Del Zotto, New York Rangers
Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings
Jordan Eberle, Edmonton Oilers
Matt Ellis, Buffalo Sabres
Steve Eminger, New York Rangers
Jonathan Ericsson, Detroit Red Wings
John Erskine, Washington Capitals
Justin Falk, Minnesota Wild
Eric Fehr, Washington Capitals
Nikita Filatov. Ottawa Senators
Nick Foligno, Columbus Blue Jackets
Alexander Frolov, New York Rangers
Dan Girardi, New York Rangers
Tim Gleason, Carolina Hurricanes
Mike Green, Washington Capitals
Matt Greene, Los Angeles Kings
Nicklas Grossmann, Philadelphia Flyers
Matt Halischuk, Nashville Predators
Dan Hamhuis, Vancouver Canucks
Travis Hamonic, New York Islanders
Scott Hannan, Nashville Predators
Martin Hanzal, Phoenix Coyotes
Josh Harding, Minnesota Wild
Kristian Huselius, Columbus Blue Jackets
Patric Hornqvist, Nashville Predators
Jarome Iginla, Calgary Flames
Ed Jovanovski, Florida Panthers
Ryan Jones, Edmonton Oilers
Erik Karlsson, Ottawa Senators
Evander Kane, Winnipeg Jets
Chris Kelly, Boston Bruins
Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs
Andrei Kostitsyn, Nashville Predators
Sergei Kostitsyn, Nashville Predators
Maxim Lapierre, Vancouver Canucks
Chad LaRose, Carolina Hurricanes
Pascal Leclaire, Free Agent, formerly Ottawa Senators
Brian Lee, Tampa Bay Lightning
David Legwand, Nashville Predators
Robin Lehner, Ottawa Senators
Trevor Lewis. Los Angeles Kings
Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers
Derek MacKenzie, Columbus Blue Jackets
Andrei Markov, Montreal Canadiens
Matt Martin, New York Islanders
Shawn Matthias, Florida Panthers
Brandon McMillan, Anaheim Ducks
Brendan Mikkelson, Calgary Flames
Fredrik Modin, Columbus Blue Jackets
Travis Moen, Montreal Canadiens
Matt Moulson, New York Islanders
Chris Mueller, Nashville Predators
Evgeni Nabokov, New York Islanders
James Neal, Pittsburgh Penguins
Kris Newbury, New York Rangers
Eric Nystrom, Minnesota Wild
Johnny Oduya, Chicago Blackhawks
Cal O'Reilly, Nashville Predators
Ryan O'Reilly, Colorado Avalanche
Patrick O'Sullivan, Minnesota Wild
Nathan Oystrick, St. Louis Blues
Zach Parise, Minnesota Wild
Jeff Petry, Edmonton Oilers
Corey Perry, Anaheim Ducks
Dion Phaneuf, Toronto Maple Leafs
Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis Blues
Chris Pronger, Philadelphia Flyers
Brandon Prust, Montreal Canadiens
Kyle Quincey, Detroit Red Wings
Wade Redden, New York Rangers
Mike Ribeiro, Washington Capitals
Brad Richards, New York Rangers
Mike Richards, Los Angeles Kings
Brad Richardson, Los Angeles Kings
Craig Rivet, Columbus Blue Jackets
Bryan Rodney, Carolina Hurricanes
Bobby Ryan, Anaheim Ducks
Mike Santorelli, Florida Panthers
Luke Schenn, Philadelphia Flyers
James Sheppard, Minnesota Wild
Rob Schremp, Modo Hockey, formerly New York Islanders
Jody Shelley, Philadelphia Flyers
Ryan Smyth, Edmonton Oilers
Nick Spaling, Nashville Predators
Steve Staios, Calgary Flames
Matt Stajan, Calgary Flames
Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning
Viktor Stalberg, Chicago Blackhawks
Jarret Stoll, Los Angeles Kings
Jason Strudwick, Edmonton Oilers
PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens
Andy Sutton, Edmonton Oilers
Brandon Sutter, Pittsburgh Penguins
Danny Syvret, St. Louis Blues
Henrik Tallinder, New Jersey Devils
Matt Taormina, New Jersey Devils
José Théodore, Florida Panthers
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, Philadelphia Flyers
Jordin Tootoo, Detroit Red Wings
Tom Wandell, Dallas Stars
Stephen Weiss, Florida Panthers
Jeremy Williams, New York Rangers
Ryan Wilson, Colorado Avalanche
Daniel Winnik, Colorado Avalanche
Jeff Woywitka, Dallas Stars
Nolan Yonkman, Phoenix Coyotes
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, New York Rangers


Yeah, I think he'll do just fine, and won't have to resort to betraying his young star client.
LOL I know he has many other clients I am talking specificaly to PK he doesn't sign then he makes no money from THAT client. He makes more from his other clients so why not tell PK to take the deal get his pay day and make even more money on his next deal simple business really. A bird in the hand and all that.

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Not saying #Canadiens should overspend to re-sign Subban, but their offer (2 years, $5.1 million) is insultingly low.

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so Bergevin is offering PK 1 million more than Bouillon? Pathetic and completely understandable that he won't sign.

having said that, I don't see a trade happening, not only because I really don't want one to but I think PK wants to stay...let's hope

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Marc Bergevin, the "great talent evaluator", will trade Subban and probably throw in Eller too. Bet he does it for a 3rd liner too.

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Not saying #Canadiens should overspend to re-sign Subban, but their offer (2 years, $5.1 million) is insultingly low.
Are you ready to trust Darren Dreger on this?

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I am not saying he will or should sign, but he's rumoured to have been offered a competitive contract.
Where do hear that? Link?

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I would have signed him long term as I said I think in part 6 of this messy thread.. but I can understand the habs thinking in wanting a bridge deal to be honest, what I can't understand is 2.5 million per year.

Out of all the bridge deals signed lately by the Habs, Price was the lowest at 2.75, Patches, Gorges, Pleks all signed around 3.1 - 3.3 million if I remember correctly. I don't get why 2.5 for PK.
You're trying to make sense out of something that does not make sense. A bridge deal for Subban is dumb to begin with so..

It's like arguing why someone would kill wild game with 2 grenades instead of only one. When the real question is why use a grenade at all ?

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LOL I know he has many other clients I am talking specificaly to PK he doesn't sign then he makes no money from THAT client. He makes more from his other clients so why not tell PK to take the deal get his pay day and make even more money on his next deal simple business really. A bird in the hand and all that.
I repeat, it would make absolutely no sense to betray a client for a quick buck, especially since Meehan doesn't need it.

Simple business really. If he betrays his clients now, he loses them next contract.

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Are you ready to trust Darren Dreger on this?
Dreger is not the same as Bobby Mac, but it's still close. On top, you have RL (2.2+2.9). Yes, we now can believe the number. Contract's number has been leaked.

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Well, I was encouraged that Bergevin was going to break the cycle of terrible GMs, but it turns out he's an idiot just like the others.
To be fair he did sign Pacioretty to a great long term deal and locked Price as well. I'll wait to see how the whole Subban saga turns out before passing a final judgement on the situation.

Right now i certainly do question the lowball and bridge contract strategy though. He's playing with fire.

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Are you ready to trust Darren Dreger on this?
To be fair, Lavoie reported it as well, and MacKenzie had the same numbers a few weeks ago apparently.

But yeah, we don't know 100% of course.

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