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01-26-2013, 10:41 AM
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Confirmed by Dregger and Renauld Lavoie. 2.2M for the first year and 2.9M for the second.
I was hating on PK, but if those numbers are right, the Habs are lowballing. PK deserves at least 3.5-4m/per

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Shero ****ed up giving Crosby and Malkin deals coming off their ELC. THEY HAD TO PROVE THEMSELVES
I can understand giving Cam Fowler $4M per season before his ELC is even expired but PK Subban? Come on now.

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In these past few threads, I have seen a lot of people claiming to be smarter, more knowledgeable and who think they are the only sane people in the world. These people claim that there is nothing wrong with a bridge contract. That it's crazy to say Bergevin is dumb for wanting a bridge deal. But NONE of them have ever explained why a bridge contract is good in this particular case.

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No reasons? Thats funny. PK fan boys are something else. No critic is allowed because he is...
Are you for real,a habs fan?

Pk Subban is just 23,when do most nhl dman really peak....the kid is a star now and on the way to supertstar.....
Near 80 pts some points in first 160 games , damn respectable. He was a beast before he packed on extra 20 lbs this offseason....he is goin to be a force...i see him exploding into 60- 75pts dman.


Subban will win Norris before career,is done...book that

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In these past few threads, I have seen a lot of people claiming to be smarter, more knowledgeable and who think they are the only sane people in the world. These people claim that there is nothing wrong with a bridge contract. That it's crazy to say Bergevin is dumb for wanting a bridge deal. But NONE of them have ever explained why a bridge contract is good in this particular case.
Well, it's less risky in the sense that if PK regresses, it'll be good.

That being said, it's actually more of a risk since PK will probably not regress, and will most likely progress or maintain his status quo, thus costing us a LOT more in 2 years.

So yeah, I'm waiting for the explanation as well. The only thing I can think of, is that Bergevin isn't sold on Subban.

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In these past few threads, I have seen a lot of people claiming to be smarter, more knowledgeable and who think they are the only sane people in the world. These people claim that there is nothing wrong with a bridge contract. That it's crazy to say Bergevin is dumb for wanting a bridge deal. But NONE of them have ever explained why a bridge contract is good in this particular case.
So he can be here longer by signing an 8 year deal after his bridge contract

New management also wants to see what he is all about probably

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Lets not forget the HUGE strides Subban made to get to this point. I remember reading on this board years ago being excited over Pk Subban and his offensive potential but we all questioned his defensive commitment or skillset. Some questioned whether he would have to be converted to a FWD because of his defensive issues. Look at him now. Not saying he's the best player defensively but you can just imagine how hard he's worked on his game and his ability to improve every day on and off the ice.

But after all this Habs management "isn't sure" and "isn't sold" on Pk Subbans talent/future or potential it seems? Come on.

I'm a Habs fan first so I'm OK if they trade Pk but my only and biggest fear is not getting equal value for him which is imo 99% certain that we won't.

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Are you for real,a habs fan?

Pk Subban is just 23,when do most nhl dman really peak....the kids is a star now and on the way to supertstar.....
Near 80 pts some points in first 160 games , damn respectable. He was a beast before he packed on extra 20this offsrsson....he is goin to be a force...i see him exploding into 65 75pts dman.


Subaan will win norris before career,is done...book that
This is beside the point, man.

He wasn't "criticizing", he was throwing ****. Baseless insults at Subban's worth as a human being.

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http://capgeek.com/comparables/?season=2012&player=1248

Find someone on that list you'd take over Subban, and then realize they all make 1.5 million more a year than what Subban is being offered.

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There is no doubt about it. Hockey is the last major sport that is predominantly dominated by white people. All the other sports have superstar from different culture. That is why there is so much racism and disdain toward players from Europe and people from minority.

Those people are not in tune with the 20th century and it is sad that those dinosaurs are all in position of power in the NHL.
This crap again. You have it all figured out don't you.

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2.5 is low ball. 6 million is asking too much. It's a contract negotiation. They'll meet in the middle somewhere.
Logically yes, however apparently Bergevin hasn't moved on his offer since May. Not exactly encouraging.

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Little or no progress made in PK Subban contract negotiations. Habs firm on 2 year deal, roughly $5 mil total. Offer sheet? Trade? Options.


this offer is joke. no way subban accepts this. and rightfully so.
That is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S.

The Players Association may want to create a mechanism in the next CBA to prevent abuse like this. When a player is one year away from accessing his arbitration rights, a team should not be allowed to insist on a two-year contract or bust, effectively locking the player out.

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There is no doubt about it. Hockey is the last major sport that is predominantly dominated by white people. All the other sports have superstar from different culture. That is why there is so much racism and disdain toward players from Europe and people from minority.

Those people are not in tune with the 20th century and it is sad that those dinosaurs are all in position of power in the NHL.
Well, considering that the 20th century saw terrible events of racism, your comment is quite funny.

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And suddenly the entire fan base has turned on Bergevin.

Great work, ya goof.

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You guys might not like it, but MB is doing what every GM should have been doing with young players... being firm on small contracts instead of going crazy with huge deals inflating the overall market for UFA AND RFA.

5mil of 2 years is nothing for the habs and somehow no offer sheets ? I think GMs understand what MB is doing for the greater good...

Do I feel it's reasonnable ? Do I agree ? Not really... but again stop whinning about what's happening, please !

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There is no doubt about it. Hockey is the last major sport that is predominantly dominated by white people. All the other sports have superstar from different culture. That is why there is so much racism and disdain toward players from Europe and people from minority.

Those people are not in tune with the 20th century and it is sad that those dinosaurs are all in position of power in the NHL.
MB is racist because he dont give what Subban wants? Ridicolous.

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I wouldn't go more than 3 to 3.5 max on the 2 year deal.
It's a lowball offer and if that's what we're trying to push on him, he has a right to be upset. That's the kind of offer that winds up resulting in a trade. It's way below what he's worth and there's no way he should sign for that.

Man I really hope these reports aren't true because these numbers are really stupid.

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IF Bergevin is offer only 2.5Mil per year he is fool. Is this confirmed?
What happened? Pieces of **** do not get more than that.

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You guys might not like it, but MB is doing what every GM should have been doing with young players... being firm on small contracts instead of going crazy with huge deals inflating the overall market for UFA AND RFA.

5mil of 2 years is nothing for the habs and somehow no offer sheets ? I think GMs understand what MB is doing for the greater good...

Do I feel it's reasonnable ? Do I agree ? Not really... but again stop whinning about what's happening, please !
All GMs shouldn't lock up their young elite talent?

Okay.

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Well, considering that the 20th century saw terrible events of racism, your comment is quite funny.
Especially since we are in the 21st

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You guys might not like it, but MB is doing what every GM should have been doing with young players... being firm on small contracts insteaed of going crazy with huge deals inflating the overall market for UFA AND RFA.
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Except for all those other great young players that got paid their worth after the ELC. LOTS of teams lock up their young talent long term coming out of an ELC.

The idea that a RFA should take less than he's worth is gone out the window I'm afraid. Especially considering Subban's role on the team and the statistical proof that backs up his excellent play.

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IF Bergevin is offer only 2.5Mil per year he is fool. Is this confirmed?
G Carbonneau and Renlavoie are the only two people who have advanced numbers.

Meehand said in reply to Carbo "I don't know how Carbo would have come into this privildged info"

MB has also said he will not negociate in the media.

I'm sure we have no idea what the numbers are. I wouldnt be surprised that MB is offering 4.5-5M on a 2 year term and that Subban wants up to 6-6.5M per.

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All GMs shouldn't lock up their young elite talent?

Okay.
Gotta keep these kids in place. Gotta make them show respect to the game of hockey. Gotta... gotta... gotta make up for all of the bad contracts every other GM has given for the past 20 years to veterans on free agency because the owners keep locking the players out every time they do it!


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I was hating on PK, but if those numbers are right, the Habs are lowballing. PK deserves at least 3.5-4m/per
Exactly what I think.

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So he can be here longer by signing an 8 year deal after his bridge contract
If you sign him to an 8 year deal now, you are getting ALL of Subban's best years all the way to age 31. And by that time, Subban will have played all his pro career here, he would likely want to resign if we wanted him longer.

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Yeah that one never made sense to me. Didn't they watch hockey games last season, can't they go back and watch the tapes ? Why do they need to observe him from up close ?

If you're speaking of attitude in the locker room.. that's still not a good reason. For one, PK will mature over time if his attitude is not right. Secondly, you can't have everyone be exactly the same in a locker room. They're supposed to be professionals and get over differences in order to achieve the common goal of winning. Thirdly, if it really is a problem you work on it, or if you can't then you deal the player. He won't lose his value because someone somewhere will think they can make him work in their system.

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