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01-26-2013, 08:33 AM
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Mojo was the biggest flop pick. Sot as butter perimeter forward....yawn. There's a mile high pile of guys like that..and they went out and got another.

You know who was a sleeper good was Kozlov...great alon the boards..wasn't fast or anything, but he always won those puck battles and got he puck to Ovy.

Man I wish Ovy would rewatch old tapes of himself and get back to whatever it was he was doing then...if it was a crank...get back on it.
Johansson has been brutal so far, but he did look a bit better last night. And there was recently a 2009 redraft thread, where almost every poster had him top 10. I know they don't see him much but he's obviously still good. He's just had a rough start. He definitely looked better and faster last night though.

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01-26-2013, 08:40 AM
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i think its fair to consider that johansson's career has been a revolving door of systems and line assignments and positions. skating boudreau to trapping boudreau to no offense at all hunter to professor oates from center to right wing to left wing to center again.

that would be hard on a veteran. on a 22 year old.....

at this point those players impressing are significantly outnumbered by those not. i suppose much of the johansson criticism is accurate. i think ovechkin and backstrom have been only marginally better though. carlson has been worse.

i am good with neuvirth, green, poti, hendricks, beagle, crabb, ward, brouwer and maybe a couple others. thats about it.


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01-26-2013, 09:11 AM
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Was at the bar last night and followed the game through the box score on my phone. I'll admit, I was shocked they game back to force OT.

How did they play overall?

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01-26-2013, 09:17 AM
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How did they play overall?
Like a team that had 8 PPs, with only 5 shots on them combined...

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01-26-2013, 09:23 AM
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Like a team that had 8 PPs, with only 5 shots on them combined...
Wow. I had no clue they had that many PPs.

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01-26-2013, 09:45 AM
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They were much improved, especially 5-on-5. They actually played like they cared, and their forecheck had flashes of being effective. But their special teams, both the PP and PK, were awful. And they were dominated in OT.

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01-26-2013, 09:50 AM
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Like a team that had 8 PPs, with only 5 shots on them combined...
They should have had 10 shots on the 3 minute 5v3 alone.

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01-26-2013, 10:02 AM
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not that it matters much but i'm pretty sure it was ted leonsis who said that
Yeah, no chance.

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01-26-2013, 10:16 AM
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They should have had 10 shots on the 3 minute 5v3 alone.
i am not sure i agree with that. nj defended that 5 on 3 very packed in. daring the caps to pass it thru or try and shoot it thru. just shooting it into the pile is asking to lose possession.

they scored 5 on 3 which is more than what they usually do with those. i see no reason to complain about how they used that time.

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01-26-2013, 10:18 AM
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My better half said something last night as to what's goin on.

Maybe we should consider it?

Her: "Maybe the team looks so bad because... they really aren't very good?"

FYI: that would be Occam's Razor.

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01-26-2013, 10:19 AM
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Remember a doctor in trouble for providing steroids was linked to the Caps.

In came the decline shortly after.

It is quite odd coincidence.

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01-26-2013, 10:29 AM
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sobering reality. caps have given up 17 goals in 4 games. mike green has been on the ice for 1 of those while playing the most minutes. john carlson has been on the ice for....gulp....12 including the last 7 in a row.

maybe they arent that good. but i am pretty sure that john carlson is not nearly that bad and many of those goals have been a direct result of poor play on his part.

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01-26-2013, 10:31 AM
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They should have had 10 shots on the 3 minute 5v3 alone.
Green passes to Ovechkin's tape all the time -> 5 shots automatically.
Green passed to Ovechkin soccer style.

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Her: "Maybe the team looks so bad because... they really aren't very good?"
Again - not that bad. Not everybody all at once.

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01-26-2013, 10:36 AM
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Remember a doctor in trouble for providing steroids was linked to the Caps.

In came the decline shortly after.

It is quite odd coincidence.
actually, that was early march 2010. that was the year they lost to montreal after winning the presidents trophy. ovechkin had 5 g and 5 assists for 10pts in 7 games in that series.

what followed was an offseason of feeling sorry for himself and not training and lost enthusiasum because of that embarrassing loss in the playoffs and possibly more embarrassing loss at the olympics that same year that was largely dumped in his lap....while crosby won the gold scoring the winning goal.

i think its much more likely that it was the losing that caused his attitude change. not steroids.

one more important point. ovechkin's decline has had nothing to do with a decline in strenth.

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01-26-2013, 10:40 AM
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Green passes to Ovechkin's tape all the time -> 5 shots automatically.
Green passed to Ovechkin soccer style..
1. ribeiro from ward and green
2. green unassisted.

goals against with green on the ice. zero.

find another goat for now.

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01-26-2013, 10:43 AM
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actually, that was early march 2010. that was the year they lost to montreal after winning the presidents trophy. ovechkin had 5 g and 5 assists for 10pts in 7 games in that series.

what followed was an offseason of feeling sorry for himself and not training and lost enthusiasum because of that embarrassing loss in the playoffs and possibly more embarrassing loss at the olympics that same year that was largely dumped in his lap....while crosby won the gold scoring the winning goal.

i think its much more likely that it was the losing that caused his attitude change. not steroids.

one more important point. ovechkin's decline has had nothing to do with a decline in strenth.
Allegations were near the end of season. Loss of strength during post cycle doesn't automatically go away.

His shot lost power. He isn't as fast to the puck. He gets knocked off the puck more.

That's a loss of strength.

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01-26-2013, 11:05 AM
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1. ribeiro from ward and green
2. green unassisted.
goals against with green on the ice. zero.
find another goat for now.
I'm not looking for a goat. Hopefully you won't say green's PP passing was perfect?

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01-26-2013, 11:14 AM
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1. ribeiro from ward and green
2. green unassisted.

goals against with green on the ice. zero.

find another goat for now.
Agree. The penalty green got in ot was cheap. Two hands on stick and hardly hit the guy. He played well except the one breakaway he gave up.

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01-26-2013, 11:21 AM
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They were much improved, especially 5-on-5. They actually played like they cared, and their forecheck had flashes of being effective. But their special teams, both the PP and PK, were awful. And they were dominated in OT.
I completely disagree. They still look terrible, and they would have lost 4-2 in regulation again if Neuvy hadn't bailed them out a couple of times.

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01-26-2013, 11:26 AM
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I completely disagree. They still look terrible, and they would have lost 4-2 in regulation again if Neuvy hadn't bailed them out a couple of times.
Just coming in to post something similar after watching Oates interview. He seemed very content with the effort but I must have been watching something different. It looked to me like they would have been obliterated if not for Neuvy. Odd man rushes and near breakaways given up on the Caps powerplay. And they almost gifted Kovalchuk near the end of regulation. The only thing I saw change was outstanding goaltending. The other thing that changed were multiple powerplays to get the Caps on the board.


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01-26-2013, 11:26 AM
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I'm not acusing him of the juice,but I wouldn't be shocked either.


The man wearing the number 8 is an imposter. The team just won't find success if that 9.5 mil player does not produce.

It's his lack of defensive awareness that angers me. A real captain would take on Hossa type role if scoring were down. Clearly he does not want to learn his responsibilities. Instead trying to take the puck back and we all saw the rest.

I've also noticed his hits are weak and uninspired. Against volchenkov ESP. I know he's neutered but every time I saw a cap cross jerseys blueline they were punished. It's not knee on knee or a head shot to at least make a guy stumble.. Nobody fears Ovie anymore. It's sad.

Hopefully there is a silver lining. Semin got a goal last night,he saw another two countrymen light him up on consecutive nights and he knows he blew it in overtime. If that can't get him up for a few games...hope may be lost.

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01-26-2013, 11:54 AM
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Remember a doctor in trouble for providing steroids was linked to the Caps.

In came the decline shortly after.

It is quite odd coincidence.
As sad as it to admit, steroids is a distinct possibilty for the explanation of Ovie's decline along with a few more of the young guns. The drop has just been too precipitous and it's happened in what should be the prime of their careers.

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01-26-2013, 12:03 PM
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It's his lack of defensive awareness that angers me. A real captain would take on Hossa type role if scoring were down. Clearly he does not want to learn his responsibilities. Instead trying to take the puck back and we all saw the rest.
Your 65 goal scorer starts with 2 assists in 4 games and you're bringing this? How is that "balanced" hockey system change working again? We need the team to do what they used to be great at - scoring, and especially Ovechkin. He won't be a great defensive player anyway.

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01-26-2013, 12:07 PM
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You would think Ovechkin would move around and shoot closer to the net.

The dude is huge. He could easily bump away any defenseman he wants to and get tip-ins or greasy goals.

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01-26-2013, 12:13 PM
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1. ribeiro from ward and green
2. green unassisted.

goals against with green on the ice. zero.

find another goat for now.
Tell me..... Is 52 expected to generate offense and be a factor on the PP? Or is he now 55?

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