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01-26-2013, 09:33 AM
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As others have mentioned Kulemin, Stewart fit. As an outsider I'd love to see Iginla playing on Sid's wing until he retires. There is no better fit than that.

Vancouver if struggliing have Higgins, Raymond as ufas. Small cap hit. Cheap to acquire potentially.

Good luck finding D. There are ten teams desperate for help on the back end and another ten that need upgrades. Very few teams have players available. I can't see pittsburgh upgrading there.

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01-26-2013, 09:37 AM
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What would the Leafs want for Kulemin?

Kunitz/Crosby/Duper
Kulemin/Malkin/Neal
No way you break up Geno n Neal

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01-26-2013, 09:37 AM
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We don't need any top 4 d. We traded Michalek and went after Suter because he's Suter.

Since I don't think there are any Suter-calibre defensemen available out there, we're better off sticking with what we have. If we keep Lovejoy off the ice, I'm content with what we have in-house.

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01-26-2013, 09:53 AM
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We don't need any top 4 d. We traded Michalek and went after Suter because he's Suter.

Since I don't think there are any Suter-calibre defensemen available out there, we're better off sticking with what we have. If we keep Lovejoy off the ice, I'm content with what we have in-house.
Yep. Orpik/Martin+Niskanen+Letang is a good top 4. No need to **** with it. Team defense and the bottom pairing are our issues.

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01-26-2013, 10:02 AM
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Yep. Orpik/Martin+Niskanen+Letang is a good top 4. No need to **** with it. Team defense and the bottom pairing are our issues.
I don't even have an issue with the bottom pairing. We have a lot of options there if the guys currently playing aren't consistent.

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01-26-2013, 10:07 AM
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I don't even have an issue with the bottom pairing. We have a lot of options there if the guys currently playing aren't consistent.
Lovejoy better not see another game. But I'm sure he will.

Despres is our best expendable trade chip. Which leaves Engelland, who's been ****, and Bortuzzo. Who still hasn't seen a game. I'd like to see what he brings sooner than later.

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01-26-2013, 10:11 AM
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Ryan Clowe is exactly what the Pens need. Each of the top 2 lines needs a power foward type player who can also bury some goals. We already have one in Kunitz

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01-26-2013, 10:18 AM
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So you want a difference maker for just picks...good luck with that.

BTW, Kulemin stays with the Leafs.
No, I would pair it with one of our five or six puck moving D-prospects that many want. I doubt Kulemin stays in Toronto.

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01-26-2013, 10:20 AM
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The thing you have failed to understand in multiple threads is that Kulemin can get 0 goals in a season and still be a very effective forward on both ends of the ice. The goals are bonus.

Malkin will help him score in bundles.
That would be a big false. To me, a Kulemin that scores less than 15 isn't worth anything more than a second rounder. Pretty foolish a 0 goal Kulemin would still be very effective on both ends on the ice. He would be a failure offensively.

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No, I would pair it with one of our five or six puck moving D-prospects that many want. I doubt Kulemin stays in Toronto.
Because Toronto doesn't have defence prospects?

Gardiner, Rielly, Finn, Percy, Blacker....yeah thats what Toronto needs.

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01-26-2013, 10:21 AM
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That would be a big false. To me, a Kulemin that scores less than 15 isn't worth anything more than a second rounder. Pretty foolish a 0 goal Kulemin would still be very effective on both ends on the ice. He would be a failure offensively.
Kulemin makes his teammates more effective.

He goes in the dirty areas, and gets the puck to them.

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01-26-2013, 10:23 AM
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Pretty sure Whitney was traded because Letang took his spot, not because he "sucks".
No, it was because he was terrible. He was the Pens whipping boy at the time and needed a change of scenery.

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01-26-2013, 10:27 AM
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I have never misunderstood that. One can acquire strong, responsible wingers who score no goals with relative ease, which is why you never, ever see forwards who score 7 goals in a contract season come out earning 2.8 mil per.

You pay for production. It is not a bonus, it is a primary concern.
You also never see wingers have the team they growing up playing for parish in a plane crash. Last year is a bad year to analyze Kulemin by.

Kulemin is a 20-25 goal - 25-30 assist winger 2nd line winger who plays hard in all 3 zones. Put him with a guy like Malkin and he might become a 60 or 65 point guy.

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01-26-2013, 10:41 AM
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You also never see wingers have the team they growing up playing for parish in a plane crash. Last year is a bad year to analyze Kulemin by.

Kulemin is a 20-25 goal - 25-30 assist winger 2nd line winger who plays hard in all 3 zones. Put him with a guy like Malkin and he might become a 60 or 65 point guy.
He has to show that '10-'11 was less of an aberration than '11-'12 first. Paying for how things could work out in a best-case scenario is not how GMs operate.

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01-26-2013, 10:42 AM
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Lovejoy better not see another game. But I'm sure he will.

Despres is our best expendable trade chip. Which leaves Engelland, who's been ****, and Bortuzzo. Who still hasn't seen a game. I'd like to see what he brings sooner than later.
Engelland was fine the first two games. Nobody had a bad word to say about him, in fact. A couple clunkers aren't enough to make me throw a guy who was a perfect 3rd pairing defenseman last year on the disposable pile. Geez, Wild fans are all over Suter for how he's played this year, should he be traded too?

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01-26-2013, 10:46 AM
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Despres, Dumoulin, Bennett, 1st in 13 and Martin

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01-26-2013, 10:58 AM
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Engelland was fine the first two games. Nobody had a bad word to say about him, in fact. A couple clunkers aren't enough to make me throw a guy who was a perfect 3rd pairing defenseman last year on the disposable pile. Geez, Wild fans are all over Suter for how he's played this year, should he be traded too?
Huh? Lovejoy sucks. Shouldn't be in the lineup again. If Despres is moved then we don't exactly have alot of proven talent for our 5/6/7 spots.

Engelland is fine as a #6/7.

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01-26-2013, 11:00 AM
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He has to show that '10-'11 was less of an aberration than '11-'12 first. Paying for how things could work out in a best-case scenario is not how GMs operate.

This is true - very true.

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01-26-2013, 11:07 AM
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Ryan Clowe is exactly what the Pens need. Each of the top 2 lines needs a power foward type player who can also bury some goals. We already have one in Kunitz
I knew someone would eventually bring up Ryane Clowe. Let me answer this now. We are not swapping Clowe for Tyler Kennedy and we are already stacked on D so we don't want any of your D prospects.

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01-26-2013, 11:11 AM
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I knew someone would eventually bring up Ryane Clowe. Let me answer this now. We are not swapping Clowe for Tyler Kennedy and we are already stacked on D so we don't want any of your D prospects.
Fine. What about Chris Kunitz?

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01-26-2013, 11:22 AM
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Huh? Lovejoy sucks. Shouldn't be in the lineup again. If Despres is moved then we don't exactly have alot of proven talent for our 5/6/7 spots.

Engelland is fine as a #6/7.
Forgetting for the moment that we'd be getting back a considerable return for Despres if he were moved (which I don't see as too likely) - I don't know of many teams who could trade away a bottom-pairing defenseman and slot in a replacement better than we could.

It'd be nice if we still had Strait for the role though.

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01-26-2013, 11:25 AM
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He has to show that '10-'11 was less of an aberration than '11-'12 first. Paying for how things could work out in a best-case scenario is not how GMs operate.
It is actually exactly how the league operates. GMs draft, trade and pay all based on calculated risks-projections.

Kulemin has a career year in 10-11 and last year his worst statistical year in 11-12 during his 4 seasons. Most people would have been off work with what he went through last season. Kulemin never missed a game cause of it.

Nobody is saying that Kulemin is the greatest thing since sliced bread. What he is though is a player who plays hard in all 3 zones, has a decent cap hit, can kill penalites well, is okay on the PP, is a big body presence but doesn`t take penalties, has chemistry with every player he has ever played with and stats wise should be around a 50 point player (+- 5 points either way) who might have a career year or two of closer to 65 points.

If Brouwer and Versteeg get 1st round picks in trade that is as a Leaf fan the type of return I wouldn`t go less then.

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Fine. What about Chris Kunitz?
Nah. Pretty much the only guy that would make sense from a Sharks perspective is Brandon Sutter. Everyone else is a downgrade.

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01-26-2013, 11:26 AM
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Huh? Lovejoy sucks. Shouldn't be in the lineup again. If Despres is moved then we don't exactly have alot of proven talent for our 5/6/7 spots.

Engelland is fine as a #6/7.
That is the problem. You move Despres to fill a hole, you open another gapping hole. We are probably a year away from Morrow being ready. I'm not sure replacing him with Mark Eaton is the answer.

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